Re: Settling an Argument - Assembly *IS* a Language, Right?




António Marques wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:

'Human language', or better, 'natural language' refers to those
systems that are L1 transmitted - that is, things that children
can learn from their community. Lojban, and other constructed
languages, don't qualify at all, much less programming
languages.

There are native Esperanto speakers, "denaskaj Esperantistoj,"
yet it is a constructed language.

Where are there native Esperanto speakers?


All over the world.



And if they ever meet, can they understand each other?


Yes, of course. If two L2 speakers of Esperanto can understand one
another--and I have personal experience of that--why would you not
expect L1 speakers of Esperanto to understand one another?



And if they can, how much of it is by the massive amount of common
vocuablary rather than common structure?


There's an interesting paper on L1 Esperanto speakers at

http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/~bbergen/NEJCL.pdf

"Nativization processes in L1 Esperanto" by Benjamin K. Bergen,
Linguistics Department, University of California, Berkeley.

I point to it not because I think it might answer the last question
posed above, but because it is a case of a linguist referring to "L1
Esperanto."


--
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA


E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com

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