Re: Vinca script, cross bar angle - Ki Ri Ke


"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...

Franz Gnaedinger wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

Answer the question. What makes you think there is any legitimacy
whatsoever in comparing "languages" that are 10,000 years apart and
hundreds (or thousands?) of kilometers apart?

My experimental reconstruction of Magdalenian concerns
the Franco-Cantabrian space in around 15 000 BP. However,
the Magdalenians have been wandering widely, some spent

If you understood anything about human language, you would know that
peoples who "wander widely" no longer speak the same language, or even
similar languages, after a very short time. Look how different English
and German are, after well under 2000 years of separation. Yet you posit
identity of "language" between your (newly named) "Franco-Cantabrians"
and your "Magdalenians" of G.T.

winter in the region of Marseilles and summer in western
Switzerland where mammoths survived until 10,000 years
ago. The Magdalenian space extended until Austria and
Czechia and Hungary. By the end of the Ice Age, animals
retired from the Franco-Cantabrian space, making it ever
more difficult for the hunters. Magdalenian art ended
abruptly in around 12 000 BP. That was the time when
Magdalenians entered England via a landbridge, and
it must have been the time when they followed horses
eastward to the Eurasian steppes. The gap is only 400
years, between 12 000 BP (end of Magdalenian art
in the Franco-Cantabrian space) and 11 600, begin of
Goebekli Tepe. Agriculture started in the late phase of
Goebekli Tepe, at the base of the Karacadag, west of
Goebekli Tepe. In around 9 500 BP the temples of GT
were carefully filled up and abandoned, which means
that the culture of GT didn't really come to an end but
survived in a modified form, presumably in the Harran
plain just south of Goebekli Tepe. And there must have
been contacts between GT and the Natufian culture in
Judah, where, I read yesterday, agriculture began with
the cultivation of fig trees at Gilgal (if memory serves)
as early as 11 400 BP. The rest is well established
archaeology.

Mammoths are irrelevant. Land bridges are irrelevant. Precise dates like
11,400 are absurd. 600 years is enough to change the language of Chaucer
to the language of me.

Not to mention that in foraging and early agricultural societies, 100 km is
enough to change the language a good deal more than that. It would be
_extremely_ surprising if pre-10 000 BP Europe (with a population of a
million or less) didn't contain several hundred mutually unintelligible
languages each spoken by a few hundred to a few thousand people. These
languages would have belonged to a dozen or more language families so
different from each other that it would have been impossible for a linguist
to find _any_ cognate words between them.

The language of Marrseilles wouldn't have been that of western Switzerland,
though they _might_ have belonged to the same family. Austria and Czechia
and Hungary would have spoken unrelated languages, and the same for GT and
Gilgal.

John.



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