Re: Vinca script, cross bar angle - Ki Ri Ke


John Atkinson wrote:

Mate, we had glaciers too. Or, if you want a really cold place with BIG
glaciers, what about most of USA and Canada? No single language there! (400
plus in fact, belonging to 60-odd families).

The part of America that rules speaks English. French is
a minor language, so are other languages, and Spanish
is spoken by the lower class of Latinos. The language that
rules is certainly English, and those who aspire a good job
simply must speak and write English.

The Guyenne is special, an enclosed area in those times,
extended marshes and the Atlantic ocean in the west,
hills and mountains in the north, the French Alps in the east,
the Pyrenees and glaciers in the south, "land of honey and
game" (National Geographic), with a river system that was
as good as the railways we have in Switzerland, connecting
every part of the Guyenne to the other. Do you think that every
local tribe had a genius who produced world art? No, they
gathered gifted young people from everywhere. They established
and maintained a veritable society. The picture you have of the
Magdalenium (note that I don't use the polite "we" any longer)
is just wrong.

Absolute rubbish. You obviously know nothing whatever about Australian
culture, art, or archeology

I happen to be a fan of Australian aboriginal art, of the people,
their art, their legends, and their languages. I see links between
the Middle Stone Age of South Africa, Blombos cave, 75 000 BP,
and even if you don't follow me here you said that Australia was
populated in 60 000 BP - or was it 65 000 BP ? Plenty of time
for the languages to spread and undergo local changes. Australia
is a wide continent, no confined area as the Guyenne. There is
no comparable river system. The famous songlines - I found
Chadwick's book rather mystifying, not really clarifying - may
have been songs that enumerated wells and landmarks along
a certain way, and were, as I take it, property of the respective
clan. The songlines as actual ways crossing the land, weaving
a web of crossroads, were in no way comparable to the rivers
of the Guyenne and could not possibly have the same function.

Which time is that? Up to maybe 40 000 years ago, Africa was ahead.
Australia took the lead culturally till maybe 15 000 years ago. Between
15000 and 2000 years ago SW Asia and north Africa were ahead. From 2000 to
less than 1000 years ago, East Asia had the leading culture. Europe took
the lead for the first time less than a thousand years ago. Around 1000 AD,
the American cities were bigger than those of Europe.

Cold climates trigger progress. Look at the countries that are
doing best in Europe: northern countries, Finnland, Norway.
The Ice Age of Europe triggered progress that is mirrored
in language. If you got money buy land in Alaska, it will have
a future, you will be a Rockefeller in hundred years ;-)

But they didn't build particularly large camps. Without agriculture or
similar concentrated resources, they couldn't.

I identified drawings and maps of amazingly large camps
in caves, and the largest cluster of Magdalenian words
I reconstructed is around DAI for camp, plus permutations,
comparative SAI for life, existence, wealth, plus permutations,
and ten lateral associations plus permutations, yielding a
cluster of 72 related words. We - no, you - have a wrong
idea of the Magdalenium.

You appear to have "studied" only _European_ cave art. Perhaps it's time
for you to spread your gaze a little wider?

As I said I am a fan of Australian rock art, and the same
for African rock art. I identified a calendar in the shapes
of two figurines in the N'Dhala Gorge with rays for hairs
as calendars, and rock paintings in southern Africa
share a feature with European cave art: animals coming
from or disappearing into crevices and clefts of the rock.
These populations have been separated for at least
75 000 years, but their ideas were basically the same:
life emanates from inside rock, there is a beyond that
can be accessed by a shaman in a trance, and the
beyond is above us, in the sky, also inside rock, in a well,
or deep inside ourselves. The word for this beyond was
KA in the Middle Stone Age in South Africa, Blombos
cave, 75 000 BP, evidence for KA in that sense is found
in the language of the San (bush men), in Australian
languages, for example Pintupi / Luritja, in the language
of the Ainu on Hokkaido, in American native languages,
and the word become CA for sky, beyond, in Europe,
the first written form is found in the Brunel chamber
of the Chauvet cave, where Holly identified a domino
five as my PAS for everywhere (in a plain), while the
additional dot next to the upper right dot can be read
as CA:

O O O PAS CA
O
O O

together PAS CA, may the supreme leader of the southern
Rhone Valley be born again in the sky, among the stars
of the Summer Triangle (drawing on a stalactite in the center
of the rear hall) and roam the sky in his next life as he roams
the earth now, in this life ...

Franz Gnaedinger

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