Re: arabic alphabet, two "ha" letters ?

purple_stars wrote:

Ruud Harmsen wrote:
28 Jun 2006 14:15:24 -0700: "Yusuf B Gursey" <ybg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>: in
sci.lang:

masoretic hebrew heth was [H], as in the recitation of hebrew in arabic
speaking countries but in modern israeli hebrew it is [x] or [X]

Definitely [X], as in Arabic. [x] occurs in Modern Greek and Southern
Dutch, not in Semitic languages.

i wasn't all that interested in what you linguists were going on about,
but now i kind of see what you are saying. these characters you are
using, [X] and [x], etc, are some kind of documented, catagorized, etc,
way of describing basic sounds used in speech around the world, a way
of comparing them to other sounds, etc. i'm curious, is there sort of
a master list of these sounds, and is there a place where it teaches
you to make the sounds ? i'm imagining a place that has diagrams
showing how to position your tongue and that kind of a thing to make
the sound, and sound files with examples of what the sound is like once
made correctly. like a site that teaches you to whistle, except for
speech sounds. :)

What Ruud tried to refer you to was the International Phonetic Alphabet.
It's a standard set of phonetic symbols, designed for recording all
significant speech sounds in every language (once in a while, new speech
sounds are discovered, and new symbols are invented for them). The
standard reference on it is the *Handbook of the International Phonetic
Association*, which is published by Cambridge University Press. The best
book for learning how to make the weird sounds is J. C. Catford's
*Introduction to Practical Phonetics* (or *Practical Introduction to
Phonetics* -- I can never remember the exact title). Excellent books by
Ladefoged and Maddieson, and by Ian Maddieson alone, are more
comprehensive and I think both these days come with a CD of examples.
The one called "Consonants and Vowels" is, I think, addressed to people
like you to whom all this is new.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@xxxxxxx
.

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