Re: Word count of minimum vocabulary

Lee Sau Dan wrote:

>> You don't ==/==> I can't.

António> (You'll have to be more prolix. What does the above
António> mean?)

====> is "implies"
==/==> is "does not imply"

Why not -> vs -/-> ?

António> Yes you are tying them to words
>> No, I ain't.
António> Yes you are.

You can read my mind?

As I've told you, there's only a number of ways your mind can work. The
one you claim isn't one of them.

António> A logograph represents a word.
>> A word can be mapped to an idea. So, a logograph can
>> represent an idea.

António> Not without an intermediary, which voids the relevance
António> that point may have.

Why must I do it via an intermediary? What prevents me from mapping
it to an idea directly? You have to ==/==> I need to.

LSD: 'A word can be mapped to an idea. So, a logograph can represent an
idea'.
You said it yourself, the logograph can represent the idea because
there's a word between them.

António> An ideograph represents an idea.
>> And idea can be mapped to a word. So, an ideograph can
>> represent a word.

António> Not without an intermediary, which voids the relevance
António> that point may have.

The intermediary is not necessary.

LSD: 'And idea can be mapped to a word. So, an ideograph can represent
a word'.
If it weren't necessary, it wouldn't be there in your implicature.

António> If I say a TV isn't a throwing weapon, I don't have to
António> explain that it may be so in the occasions you throw a TV
António> at someone.

Hey, I've got a TV that weighs less than 1 kg. Why do you assume that
throwing a TV must be an action intended to hurt?

Even if it weighed 50Kg, you might miss, or just throw it at a wall for
the sake of it.

António> It is one particular reading of it. The character doesn't
António> stand independently from its readings. <1> does.
>> No. "One" is a particular reading of it. And "1" doesn't
>> mean the same thing to different people working on different
>> domains. In field theory, it's just a multiplicative identity,
>> for instance. In von-Neumann's construction of numbers, 1
>> means the set {{}}. In John Convey's construction of numbers,
>> 1 means the pair (({},{}),{}).

António> What 'no'? You're just showing how <1> isn't tied to any
António> word.

I'm showing how <1> can mean very different ideas.

Yes it can. For varying values of 'different'. It's an ideogram.

António> I don't know the thai numerals, so I can't comment on
António> them, but no. -- am
>> If you don't know them, how come you can say "no" so
>> certainly?

António> 'The widespreadness affects the status of being
António> ideographic or logographic?' No.

Then, why is the character for "sun" not an ideograph, but <1> is?

For the umpteenth time, because the character's normal usage is within a
text, where it represents a word in a given language, whereas the normal
usage of <1> is anywhere you think of placing it, to express an idea.
And be glad HR isn't listenning, to claim that it does represent a word,
in the language of Math.
--
am

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