Re: /S/ /Z/ /tS/ etc.

d2 Sep 2006 08:29:39 -0700: "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxx>: in sci.lang:

Sleep on. It get the strong impression you are denying the obvious
only because I brought it up.

If it's so obvious, howcome no phonetician has ever commented on this
alleged "national" trait before?

Because it isn't phonemic?
Because not evertbody does it?
Because it may be recent?

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., has it, and he is a very successful
environmental attorney -- and radio broadcaster.

That only proves other Americans don't dislike it. I never said they
do.

No, it proves that people with congenital creaky voice can succeed in
spite of it.

Did I say otherwise?

Just to be sure, is:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/audio/nwspeak/cm_creaky_apartment.mp3
the same as the kind of creaky voice you mean? It is what I mean. If
your own computer isn't sound equipped, could you borrow one for a
moment that is? Just to know if we're talking about the same thing.
What I mean is much more frequent among young women, and the two
examples you mentioned, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Mandy Patinkin are
men (and possibly not so young? I didn't check).

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