Re: The Business Memoir - the ``whom'' question


Mike Wright wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Mike Wright wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:


Sorry, I can't imagine "square" being [skwEr] or [skwE@].

Gleason's _An Introduction to Descriptive Linguistics_ just arrived

(new?? is it still in print??? or is it lovingly marked up by some
long-ago student?)

Well-marked, lots of underlining, some highlighting, and notes about
what will be on the mid-term. There's a little water damage to the front
cover (no jacket), and the front cover is beginning to separate from the
spine, but it's still pretty solid. I'm happy to have paid $3.50
(including shipping) for it.

It's the revised edition (1961).

That's what we used at Cornell in Fall 69. I doubt anyone _ever_ used
Hockett's *Course* as a course textbook. (Or Hall's. It's far too long
and idiosyncratic.)

yesterday, so I haven't learned anything yet, but [skwEr] looks like my
pronunciation. How do you say it?

<square> has the Mary vowel, [E] is the merry vowel. If you, like so
many Midwesterners, merge Mary and merry, then you will _hear_ them the
same (that's what phonemes do), but I'm quite certain that /skwer/ in
this system is still [skw?r] (where <?> is because I STILL don't know
the phonetic representation of the Mary vowel, /eh/). (I asked my
phonetics professor, Dale Terbeek, about it in 1972, but he, being a
native Californian, didn't know what I was talking about despite having
been a Ladefoged student.)

Length isn't phonemic, so I didn't say anything about a "/&:/."

Isn't "ladder" /l&:*r/ and "latter" /l&*r/? (/*/ is an alveolar flap,

No. * isn't a phoneme in English. [:*] realizes /d/ in some
environments, and [*] realizes /t/ in some environments, and : isn't a
phoneme in English, either.

So should we say something like: /l&tr/ is realized as [l&*r] and /l&dr/
is realized as [l&"*r]?

Assuming that by " you meant : !

Frankly, [*] goes by so quickly that I can't really detect any
voicing--or lack of it--under any circumstances.

It would be _extremely_ difficult to interrupt the airstream for so
short a time, let alone coordinate it with the moment of tapping!

/r/ is the "glide"). (Sorry if I'm way off the point of the discussion.
I haven't been following this thread too closely.)

Were you here a while back when we explored Al Gleason's background?
While he was at regional-dialect-stabilizing age, mid to late teens,
his father was an important botanist at the New York Botanical Gardens
in the Bronx, so he should have the full complement of vowels, _with_
flapping and _with_ plenty of r's.

I missed that one, I believe.

I will say that, so far, I enjoy his writing style. Of course, I went
through the index right away to find any references to Chinese, and I
see that he was well ahead of DeFrancis regarding both monosyllabicity
and the writing system.

I believe John DeF is close to 20 years older than Al G. I've never
seen his 1950 book on Chinese writing, but I doubt it differs much from
his 1985 and 1989 popular treatments. (Al is probably over 80, but John
[he insisted I call him that in email] is either just before or just
after 100.)

This may not be the best place to state it, but Bill Bright died on
Sunday.

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