Re: This week on Dancing with the Stars Re: The Business Memoir - the ``whom'' question


"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ruud Harmsen wrote:
25 Oct 2006 13:52:33 -0700: "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxx>: in sci.lang:

Which, in my phonetics classes and everywhere else, is the low front
vowel -- [E] being mid front and [a] being low central.

Except in IPA 2005, as I pointed out, where [a] is low front. Where is
"everywhere else"? I know a place where it is: my pages about
Portuguese. Not really the norm, I should think.

Nonetheless, Ruud referred to [a] being fronter than [&],

Where did I say that? If I did, it was my mistake.

which it
isn't under either description (the geometric or the featural).

What I did write is:
[a] isn't much fronter than [&].
in reaction to your:
The ONLY point at hand is the fronter vs. the backer low vowel.

That was a mistake, I should have written:
[&] isn't much fronter than [a].

Right -- because the vowel quadrilateral (i.e. the space in the oral
cavity for the tongue to move around in) is smaller at the bottom than
at the top. [&] is sufficiently more front than [a] that they can
easily be distinguished [...]

According to the IPA, the difference between the two is in the degree of
openness.

Regards,
Ekkehard


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