Re: some more Irish vowels


John Atkinson wrote:
<ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx> wrote...
John Atkinson wrote:
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...

You're saying that, unlike most SBrit realizations, your Mary has a
pure
vowel with no offglide (so that it makes sense to talk of
indefinitely
extending it)? Great, now I'm beginning to learn something.

You might learn more if you listen to the first "Sara" in Bob Dylan's
"Sara, oh Sara".
http://bobdylan.com/songs/sara.html

In terms of openness, the first (and third) "Sara" sound to me like my
/E/, as in men and (the beginning of) mary. The second and fourth sound
to me like my /&/, as in man.

Very good; now that you have heard it with pure vowels, you might learn
still more* if PTD would deign to tell us where he places the 1st (&
3rd) on his scale of openness.
* more than he was conveying by written descriptions

.

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