Re: Ranning away and fearing: IE BELGON basis


Harlan Messinger wrote:

Dusan Vukotic wrote:
Harlan Messinger wrote:

Dusan Vukotic wrote:
Dusan Vukotic wrote:
Dusan Vukotic wrote:

Back (travel backward) = Serb. beg, bežati (go back, running away,
flee); Indo-European basis BEL-GON); Γρ. φεύγω (perf.
πέφευγα = Serb. pobegao fled; povukao se stepped back), Lat.
fuga (flight, fleeing, escape); paveo (frightned) Lit. bū́gstu,
bū́gau, bū́gti intr. (frighten; cfr. Czech uprchnout, Serb. prhnuti
ran away; Alb. frikë fear, Ger. Furcht, Eng. fright); baugìnti
(frighten), baugùs (fearfully); Russ. испуганный
(ispuganiy) frightened пугать (pugatь frighten; Slav. *běgǫ
in Russ. běgu (Inf. běžátь), Little Russian. bihú (run), as
OCS. neologisms priběgnǫ, priběgnǫti etc. (to flee), also OCS.
běžǫ, bežati (to flee), etc;
Ir. búal water… Serb. bojati se (be afraid), bojiti (paint), bujati
(overflow; bujica torrent).

Obviously, running away and fearing are the most closely related
notions.
Therefore, the starting ur-word for fleeing and fearing (or better
flinching) was BELGON (Bel /sun god/ + GON /drive, move, go/); Belgon
derived later to Balkan/ Vulkan and VALJANJE (wallow, Gr. βαλλω I
throw; hence ballistics; Serb. OBALITI throw an object down the coast
/Serb. OBALA coast/). Above mentioned VALJANJE (BALJANJE, wallow,
waltz) is the one form of the basis BELGON; the other one is the Serb.
POGON (propulsion, from POLAŽENJE, POLAZAK, POLAZ outset, beginning,
Lat. PULSE), Greek βαγόνι, Eng. wagen, Eng. BEGIN.

Next time:
What is the relation among the Greek βαγόνι, English WAGON, BEGIN
and Serbian POGON and POČETAK (begining)?
Let us begin from the beginning? Probably, there is no one (not even
Harlan!) who would have ever supposed that English BEGINNING and
Serbian POČETAK (beginning) originated from the same BELGON womb.
So you do suppose it. Supposing doesn't make it true. Do you have any
evidence for your hypothesis or is this yet another example of "it's
true because it looks neat and it pleases me to think so"?

The
Serbian verb POČETI has the form POČNI in imperative mood. This
POČNI is the same word as the word POGON (propulsion, drive), where
the velar K has been palatalised to Č (POGON => POKNI => POČNI; Č =
CH). Clearer relation between BEGIN and POČNI could be seen if we
used Serbian noun POČINJANJE (the same meaning as POČETAK -
beginning). In this case, a duplicated GON is well visible in both
words, Serbian POČINJANJE and English BEGINNING, following the BEL
syllable (BEL-GON-GON).
I don't suppose that it matters to you that it's known that the "be-" in
"begin" was originally a prefix attached to the root "ginnan" which
therefore has no resemblance to a Slavic root beginning with "p".

OK. And what is the meaning of 'ginnan'? It seems that no body knows it
for sure (OE. ginnen, AS. ginnan; OHG. inginnan to begin, open, cut
open)?. What is the meaning of the Serbian ČINJENJE? It means working,
doing, but it was derived from POČINJANJE (beginning). In addition,
there are the other Serbian words as GONJENJE and GANJANJE (driving,
chasing, pursuing), even GINJENJE (dying). Are these Serbian words
related to the English GINNAN or not? I think that only intellectaly
deprived people would not be able to see the striking resemblence among
these words.

The point you keep missing is that every single pair of words with a
mutual resemblance is not necessarily related. In fact, it would be a
statistical anomaly if, given the limited phonetic range available,
there *weren't* thousands of pairs of words among various languages that
had superficial phonetic and semantic resemblances. And when one plays
the kind of game you do, a sort of etymological Six Degrees of Kevin
Bacon, where you feel free to create arbitrarily long sequences of
concepts in which any two neighboring concepts are similar but the
concepts on both ends may be completely unrelated, you're bound to turn
up false positives in abundance.

They are the same morphologically and semantically they
have almost the same meaning.


Are you serious! You are following Kevin's six degrees crap? I thought
we were discussing science and not belief in magical spells, ocult
forces and evil spirits!

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