Re: Cardinal vowels

<andrew_woode@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Colin Fine wrote:
ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
andrew_woode@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
(The context was a discussion of Hana Mandlikova', the tennis player).
It can be hard to discard prejudices in this area; use of /oU/ for
Spanish /o/ in closed syllables sounds _utterly_wrong to me as an RP
speaker with good Spanish,

In your opinion, would <Mandlikauva> produce a reasonable pronunciation
when rendered with a British accent?


<...> means spelling, which I can't imagine you mean.

But whatever you mean, that 'au' can't be right. /m&ndlI'k@Uv@/, modulo
/&/ meaning the lowered retracted CAT sound that I don't know how to write.

Colin

The above is what RP-speaking tennis commentators always used when she
was an active player. Of course, that _is_ a spelling pronunciation,
assuming a most un-Czech penultimate stress and taking no account of
the fact that the final vowel is long.

And even the ones who do pronounce a long <ová> still
forget about the long /i:/ in <dlí> syllable. :-)

If you went directly from hearing the Czech it might be different, with
the final syllable as /vA/,

/vA:/ ?

with the Czech long vowel attracting (at
least secondary) English stress (as well as a stress on the initial).
The penultimate short 'o' might also turn out differently, probably
reducing right down to / @ / in view of the stresses elsewhere in the
English rendering. (Under stress, I would replace Czech short /O/ by RP
/A./)

I'd describe the native pronunciation as

<Mandlíková> / 'mandli:kOva:/

The first syllable <Man> sounding like German <Mann>.
in IPA, I'd say /man/ (or /mVn/ ?).

The second syllable shouldn't be forgotten. It is explicitely
marked as long, so it's pronounced to rhyme with <leak>
or <leek>.

I myself don't hear any secondary stresses in the name.
After the first strongly stressed syllable the rest of the
name is all pronounced quite flatly to the very end.
Of course E speakers will be tempted to hear and pronounce
the long syllables stressed.

pjk










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