Re: Bake and bakery: IE BELGON basis


Dusan Vukotic wrote:

Brian M. Scott wrote:

On 26 Dec 2006 15:03:56 -0800, Dusan Vukotic
<dusan.vukotic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
<news:1167174236.910918.227740@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
in sci.lang:

Brian M. Scott wrote:

On the contrary, what he said is perfectly straightforward.
Anyone who thinks that there's a close semantic connection
between 'to roll about' and 'to swim', for instance, has no
business complaining about the comparatively small semantic
distance between 'to cook' and 'to bake'.

What's wrong with you Brainy?

Of course, there is no close semantic connection between
'roll about' and 'swim', except in sense of movement, and
I never said that. I said that there was connection
between Serbian words KOBELJANJE (to roll about) and
KUPANJE (swimming).

Which makes no sense at all unless you're also claiming a
semantic connection.

Please, do not falsify my words in the future.

I didn't. Either (1) you don't understand what you wrote
before, (2) you had no basis at all besides their vague
resemblance to claim a connection between <kobeljanje> and
<kupanje>, or (3) you're lying about what you meant when you
wrote that post.

[...]

Anyone can easily find and see what I wrote before.
Maybe you began your career playing harlequin! ((-:

DV

Here is that post again:
Who is lying?

This words appeared to be clearly related to the Gothic diwan (OHG.
touwen, Serb. daviti). Serbian 'daviti' sprang from the GON-BEL-GON
basis (Serb. gnavljenje badgering, Greek goddess Nebo, Egyptian Kneph;
GNABEL => GABEL => ĐABEL => ĐAVL => Serb. ĐAVO-L => Lat. DIABOLUS
devil).
Although we have the Serbian verb 'divljati' (rampage, ramp), derived
from 'đavoljati' (devilish behavior) the verb 'daviti' did come from
the other side; i.e. from the words 'dubljenje' (deepen) and 'dubina'
(deepness, Germ. Tiefe; Serb. DUBLJENJE /deepening/ => DAVLJENJE
/drowning, strangling). If we compare the above-mentioned Serbian word
GNAVLJENJE (badgering) with KOBELJANJE (roll about) we shall see that
this 'rolling' will give the Serbian noun KUPANJE (swimming), while
DUBLJENJE (deepening) will be the source of the Serbian words TOPLJENJE
and UTAPANJE (merging, drowning).
The logic is clear here and now we are able to understand the history
of the words as German TAUFEN (baptize, christen) TAUB (deaf), TAUBE
(dove; from O.E. dufan to dive, duck, sink: in fact, to dip, submerge,
Serb. DUBINA, Germ. TIEF). Interesting, Greek τυφλός, does not
have meaning ‘deaf’, as we might have expected, but ‘blind’.
Logically, the silence is as deeper as we deeper submerge into the
water, but, also, our sight is as more impaired as far as the distance
from the water surface is increased.

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