Re: Subphonemic transcription beats phonemic?

[aue dropped]

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:25:21 -0500, Nathan Sanders
<nsanders@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
<news:nsanders-1A1701.15252101012007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> in
alt.usage.english,sci.lang:

In article <z8hj508rdty1.15980cqpbeb74$.dlg@xxxxxxxxxx>,
"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:55:52 -0500, Nathan Sanders
<nsanders@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in

Which environment do you think [ph] and [?t] can both occur in?

Word finally, of course; that's why I mentioned 'unreleased
[p]'. Most often but not quite exclusively at the end of an
utterance.

Which dialects of English have word-final [ph] and [?t]

If you look at my original question, you'll see that I did
not assume the existence of any such dialects.

(and of obviously, don't have word-final [th] and [?p])?

???

We appear to be at complete cross-purposes here. I wondered
about your original claim precisely because I can have all
of [?t], [t], [th], [?p], [p], and [ph] word-finally, though
the aspirated stops are much less common than the other four
and almost always utterance-final. But it now occurs to me
that the aspiration here may actually be a prosodic feature.

Brian
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