Re: About the Surname "Bitsch"


Trond Engen wrote:

Paul J Kriha skreiv:

Michael Kuettner <miksbg@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:eo8m84$3hl$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@xxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On 4 Jan 2007 13:10:29 -0800, "Douglas G. Kilday"
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Brian M. Scott wrote:
[...]

The MHG word, however, had a very wide variety of meanings,
a couple of which are worth a second look. Among other
senses, Lexer gives the gloss 'Zug, Richtung, Weg, Gang', as
in <diu zucht alsô grôße wart> (where Lexer gives the
additional gloss '(Zuzug, Zusammenströmung)', <der âderen
zuht> (= <der âderen ganc>), and <der stern zuht>. He even
notes a couple of related minor senses specifically related
to water: 'Ort wohin das unreine Wasser sich zieht,
Senkgrube' and, better yet, 'Wasserlauf, -leitung, darüber
festgesetzte Ordnung'.
This last sense might actually be appropriate in connection
with the Walliser Suonen; the problem is that there does not
appear to be any even remotely plausible phonetic path from
MHG <zuht> to Walliser dialect <Suone>. [...]
Perhaps less difficult phonetically, but more difficult
semantically, is a borrowing by Walliser Alamannic from a
SW Alpine Gallo-Romance *su:na 'wooden trough, vessel
constructed like a milk-pail' from Late Gaulish *sunna
'milk-pail', ultimately from PIE *spondh-no- and related
to Danish <spand> 'bucket, pail', Norwegian <spann> 'id.'
Ah, ON <spann> 'a pail; a measure (esp. of butter)'. Is
*su:na your idea? And whether it is or not, are there
parallels for *unn > *u:n here?

Gaul. *sunna is cited as the forebear of Upper Engadine
<sonna> 'milk-pail' by J. Hubschmid, _Alpenwörter
romanischen und vorromanischen Ursprungs_ [Bern 1951],
pp. 24, 61:
"Den Melkeimer nennt man im Oberengadinischen <sonna>.
Auch dieses Wort ist gallischen Ursprungs; gall. *sunna,
älter *sonna, *sonda, ist urverwandt mit der Familie von
norw., dän. <spand> 'Eimer' (aus [idg.] *spondhno-; im
Keltischen schwindet /p/).
Pokorny notes MIr <sonn> 'Pfosten, Pfeiler' (DIL 'a stake,
post, beam, prop, club').

[...]

Hello,

an idle speculation here.

How about "Suone" simply stems from "Zua ne", "zur Naehe", "in die Naehe" (bringen) ?

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

How about Swiss "suone" stemming from Italian "suono" which
in English means "sound". Just like English "sound(s)", "suono"
has zillions of different meanings, including narrow sounds of
water tightly enclosed by land on both sides which might look
just like all those narrow valleys called "suone". :-)

Now, that's a completely different sound. Eng. 'sound' "strait" is a
Germanic word and for some reason it's cognate 'sund' is _very_ much
used in North Germanic toponyms. Bjorvand and Lindeman sees it as a
verbal noun */swunþá-/, derived from */swumjan-/ "swim". Thus its
original meaning was "swimming", which was preserved in OE and -- if I
read the book correctly -- still is in modern Icelandic.

The root of the 'swim'-word, though, could be worth looking at. Bjorvand
and Lindeman takes it as an /s/-mobile and a root */wem-/ or */wam-/.
This root seems to have had a core meaning "move fast and fluctuous".


--
Trond Engen
- slow, steady and not sound at all

Italian 'suono' (clangor, sound) and English 'sound', Serbian 'zvoniti'
(chime), 'zvono' (bell), Italian 'suonare' (chime, ring the bell),
Serbian 'zvonara / zvonik' (belfry, steeple), 'zvonar' (bell ringer),
Italian 'sonda' (probe, drill, sound), Serbian 'sunuti' ( a sudden
rapid flow /as of water/; hence Serbian 'usuti' /pour in/ and 'sud'
/vessel, bucket, dish)

Are the above words cognates? ZVONO, SUONO and SOUND (auditory
sensation) are derivatives of the ancient SUR-BEL-GON basis, while
SUNUTI (gush), SUD (vessel), SONDA (probe) and SOUND (inlet) are coming
from the SUR-GON basis.

Interesting, isn't it?

DV

DV

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