Re: Göbekli Tepe reloaded


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Probably the most celebrated piece of early Mesopotamian art is the so-
called "Stele of the Vultures." Art historians continue to argue over
it. (I think it dates to Naram-Sin.)

Thanks. I found a good detail (vultures carrying heads) here

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Stele_of_Vultures_detail_02.jpg

Heidi wrote:
The above reminds me of Valkyries carrying the dead war heros up to Asgard for Odin and
Freya to sort out amongst themselves. Half of those dead heros will end up in Valhalla, while
the others will end up in Sessrumnir.


Michael wrote:
Ah, yes. Right. And you got that idea from where ?

The Eddas.

Michael wrote: During the Middle Ages, the Christian missionaries demonized the Valkyries by calling
them vultures, carrion birds, and witches.


Michael wrote:
Where ? When ?

Read about some of the conversion efforts by Christian missionaries.

"Middle Ages" means roughly 500 - 1500.
No valkyries in most of Europe; except for Scandinavia and Northern Germany.
Valkyries being called witches ? They lived here ?

A picture has a thousand words. The idea of birds taking the souls of the dead to the
heavens is not unique.


Heidi wrote: Btw, how do they know these birds are actually vultures? Can they not be eagles or
falcons, or symbols of "angels?"


Micheal wrote:
No.
Period.
I won't even try to educate you about the burial customs of C.H.
Observing your performance here in sci.lang I know that this would be
a waste of time.

Burial customs are *actions.* What people *thought* is depicted in pictures.
Pictures represent *ideas.* People will use different words to describe
the *same* picture. I'm not saying the C.H. culture used the same
word "Valkyries," however, the *idea* of birds carrying the dead
is depicted on that tablet. The C.H. culture would have used
different words for the same thing.

Heidi wrote:
Are there references inside the text of that tablet which calls these birds vultures?


Micheal wrote:
Ohh, little Heidi wants a nice little book with pictures !

The script on that tablet means something. It has writing on it!

I'll give you just a little hint : A falcon won't feed upon a piece of carrion.

No, but Freya, wearing her falcon cloak, does pick up heroic warriors who
have died in battle. These birds might not be eating these warriors, but
rather they are picking up the pieces of chopped up warriors, their lopped
off limbs, so they can be made whole again in Valhalla, or in a heaven of some sort.

The bird to the far most right on that tablet looks more like a falcon
than a vulture.

What I'm interested in is what that script on that tablet says.
Knowing the text will give some indication as to what those
birds are actually doing and what they actually are.

Heidi

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