Re: s->h

On Feb 15, 10:49 pm, "John Atkinson" <johna...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The Latin noun "passus" comes from Old Latin "padtus" by the regular
sound change "-dt-" > "-ss-" . That is, "pad-" stretch" with suffix
"-t-" denoting verbal action (the stretch of the legs in walking).
The
verb "pandere", stretch, bend (PP "passus") is cognate. "Pad-" and
"pand-" apparently come from PIE "*pandos", bent (as does Old Norse
fattr).

Wouldn't *pedtus seems a more sensible term for walking?

If you're meaning PIE *ped-tus, where *ped- means fall, the Latin
derivative pessus means "on the ground".

The PIE root *ped- means fall (> Sanskrit padyate, falls, OCS pado, I
fall, Russian padat', to fall ) and also foot (> *pedom, footprint,
track > Latin peda, sole, footprint, Sanskrit padam, track, OCS podu,
ground, and Russian pod, hearth -- also the preposition pod, under, I
suspect).

It seems to me that PIE *pa(n)d- and *ped- (and also *pent, find one's
way) were different roots, and that the resemblances in form and meaning
of many of their derivatives is coincidental. But maybe some of the
experts around here could comment on this.

John.
............

Well, rather than waiting for hell to freeze over, let's consider what
we have....

We have your:
" Latin peda, sole, footprint"
" Sanskrit padam, track"
" OCS podu -ground"
" Russian pod, hearth"
" also the preposition pod, under"

My additions to the grist:
Latin -"pedes : going on foot, walking /foot-soldier, infantryman."
Latvian - "pēda" = 'foot'
Classical Greek -podês = 'foot'
Russian - (Idti) peshkom = (to go) 'by foot'

Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results for 'PAND' gives:
"1 paND (prob. invented to serve as the root of the words below)

- "to go , move Dha1tup. viii , 29 ; cl. 10. P.%{paNDayati} , to heap
together , pile up (v.l. for %{piND}) , xxxii , 130 Vop. ; cl. 1. or
10. P. %{paNDati} , %{-Dayati} , to destroy , annihilate , xxxii , 73
(v.l. for %{paMs}). "

- "19 pratipad A1. %{-padyate} (ep. fut. also %{-patsyati}) , to set
foot upon , enter , go or resort to , arrive at , resch , attain VS.
&c. &c. ; to walk , wander , roam"

'Pada '- 'foot'
'pratipad' - 'to set foot upon'
....

Conclusions:
1) I can't find your "Old Latin "padtus". Where did you find it?

2) Both "Pad-" and "pand-" cannot come from *PIE "*pandos", because we
require the notion of 'walking by foot' in order to accomodate 'pad/
ped//pod'. 'Bending' has nothing to do with the examples of walking
given.

3) 'Pand' as 'bend' has liitle to do with pedestrian travel. As you
noted; different roots.
Besides.. it appears to have been 'invented to serve as a root' in the
case of Sanskrit.

4) 'Falling' is not consistent with 'pedestrian travel'. The ample
'ped' roots point to motive extremities - not falling..

5) If the *PIE root *ped- means 'fall' - then *PIE is incorrect.
Again.

6) Sanskrit 'pratipad' and 'padyate' do not mean 'fall', rather they
mean 'to set foot on' and also 'to go'.

7) "Russian pod, hearth -- also the preposition pod".. is incorrect.
We have two errors here:

a) We are dealing with a 'pod' root - not the 'po' prefix here.
(But understanding 'po' will also solve the meaning for Sanskrit
'padyate' - which Baltic and Slavic readers should easily catch)

b) "OCS podu = ground" and " Russian pod = hearth" do not utilize the
'po' prefix... but merely indicate that earth (clay) was used for
ceramic pots and/or was used for making hearths.









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