Re: SUR, HOR,DEL,GON,UM...

On Feb 20, 5:30 pm, "Heidi Graw" <h...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Dušan Vukotić" <dusan.vuko...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1171968176.567565.46280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Dusan wrote;
Ten years ago I wrote a book entitled 'The Forefather of the European
Man". Of course, this book was not based on the scientific grounds and
I stressed it in the book's preface, by telling: "this is a free
flight of the White Eagle".
The facts is, many of the things I concluded there were wrong, but a
few "innovations" were very inspiring and fruitful. The most important
one was the idea that the human speech started from the sun divinity
and was developed later in accordance with the main characteristics of
the sun (irradiation, warmth, fire, round form etc.).
In the same book, I reasoned that one of the main self-generating
wells of speech was the sun-god Sur (Skt. Surya, Russian Zarya; Sargon
- the king of Akkad, Sirius, Osiris).
Later on, I added the other sun god, Hor (Egyptian Horus, Slavic Hors)
and it took me long before I understood that Sur and Hor were the same
gods, just differently pronounced (Xur).
In reality, the famous linguistic division to satem and centum
languages was the result of Sur-Hor (or Hor-Sur) rivalry. In the
course of my farther studies I found out a certain correspondence and
regular correlativity among Sur, Hor and the Babylonian god Bel
(Semitic Baal) and I included that god in my first Surbel-Horbel
"human speech formula".
It took me another few years to understand that my formula was
deficient because it missed the magic word that enables an omnipotent
animation and comprehensive movement of spiritual and material
objects. Therefore, I added the syllable GON as a "dues ex machina",
the main but invisible divine actor who solves the problem of the
continuing motion and evolution of language.
It is the way in which I "discovered" XUR-BEL-GON formula, improved,
decorated and self-propelled by human or divine power of mind (UM).

Ah, now I understand where you're coming from. For you, the words are
centred
around deities or spirits. Ancient man would have indeed be in wonder of
the
world. Building a vocabulary around and for these deities and spirits would
have been part of the language creation process.

But now, let's think of the practicalities of life...survival. The day to
day activities of survival would have pre-occupied the minds of
very ancient people. By the time they evolved to imagine deity,
they would have already had a collection of words to use.

The words preceding deity would have been words that
warned of dangers, or offered reassurance. They would
have also had words to indicate aggression and/or affection.
They would have also had a vocabulary about food,
rudimentary tools/weapons (sticks and stones), and
words about shelter.

Consider our evolution from apes. Chimpanzees
do not worship deity, but they do have a chimpanzee
language that helps them survive in that wilderness.

I believe human language evolved much in the same
way...first words centred around survival with a later
development of words for deity and spirits.

When I look at what you and Franz are doing, I
get the impression that yours goes further back
in time than Franz with his Magdalenian.

As for me, it seems I trying to go back much
further in time than either of you...
back to the earliest of early humans
from whom we've inherited language. This
of course, requires the study of "monkey-talk"
which quite a few scientists are in fact doing.
Their works do lend insights into language
and I think these scientific works need to
be kept in mind.

Take care,
Heidi

To be precise, the words started to "sparkle" out of the names of
deities (Sur, Hor, Bel). The ancient people ascribed all their day-to-
day activities to the sun and considered the sun as god-protector. In
reality, the sun was their god-savior, because the nights were
extremely obscured and dangerous; the sun was bringing them the light,
warmth and was giving them much better chances for survival.

You are right! The ancient people must have been preoccupied with the
every day's struggle for pure survival. In fact, their mind was under
constant pressure to solve the basic existential problems and to
eliminate the deadly danger that surrounded them day and night.
Therefore, it seems logical that the majority of people had neither
time even to think of god nor to contemplate about any other natural
and supernatural power. One could say that the process of thinking and
"invention" of words was a "home work" for rare and specially gifted
minds.

I am not sure, but I think that the movie “The Odyssey 2000” begins
with the scene where monkey realizes that he can use bone as a sort of
deadly weapon. There were the whole monkey pack but the only one among
them was "chosen" for the "educational" job.

I would compare the beginning of speech with the invention of fire.
Both must have begun at one isolated place and later they had been
spread from “neighborhood to neighborhood”.

DV

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