Re: Venom-spitting from a safe distance - Cybalist cave!

On Feb 24, 11:16 am, "mb" <azyth...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 24, 1:22 am, "Dušan Vukotić" <dusan.vuko...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:> A few hours ago,Abdullah Konushevci, an Albanian "lingua-expert",
wrote on Cybalist, (a "leading" (;-) linguistic forum under the Pole/
Slave/Slavic conductor's stick): "And, in the end, I think that like
Dusan Vukotic, like Polat Kaja, like Marsius Alexandru are all cranks,
as are their masters."http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/47585

I am sure that” strictly ruled” Cybalist moderators (Brainy Brian is
one of them) will not dare to issue any warning against Abdullah's
slanderous behavior.

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Where is the slander? You are the mirror image of Polat Kaya. Your
complaining on the very forum where your stuff is documented was not a
brilliant idea.

Outcomes of voiced labiovelar stop in Albanian

*gWh- > Alb /f/ in initial position

*dhgWhei- ‘to perish, dei away’ > Alb fik ‘extinguish, destroy’
probably from zero-grade form *(dh)gWhi-k (cf. ik ‘to run away’) from
imperative form: Greek phthisis from phthinein: Skt kşiyate ‘he
perishes’ and kşapayati ‘he destroys’. (Pokorny ghðei(H)- 487.)

*gWhed- ‘to ask, pray’. Alb fé ‘faith, religion’, where long stress /
é/ is a result of contraction (cf. Alb ngé ‘time, leisure’, related to
Slavic *god& ‘time, year’ or better bé ‘oath’ < *bhoidh-),
denominative fejoj ‘to betroth, engage’. Synonymic pair bé e rrëfé
‘oath and confession’. Denominative rrëfenj ‘to confess, narrate’,
deverbative rrëfenjë ‘story, short simple narrative: tale’. As cognate
could be taken Old English biddan ‘to ask, pray; OE bed(u), gebed
‘prayer’; Latin –festus in infestus ‘hostile’ and perhaps manifestus
‘caught in the act, red-handed’. Miklosich’s assumption that it is a
loan from Latin fidem, if we accept the rule VDV = V, like in padulem
Alb pyll ‘forest’, would lead us to *fi: or to *fê with nasal /e/,
from following nasal, that is not the case. (Pokorny gWhedh- 488.)

*gWhen- ‘to strike, kill’. 1. Alb fyej ‘to insult, offend’ from
*gWhe:n-yo, cf. Latin offendere ‘to offend, strike’. (Pokorny 2. gWhen-
(H) 491.)

*gWhi: ‘thread, tendon’. 1. Alb fill ‘start, thread, string, origin’,
pl. fije, from *gWhi:-slo: zan-a-fillë ‘origin’, a compound of *gWhen-
to + *-o- + *gWhi:-slo ‘(where) origin starts’. 2. Prefixed derivative
përfill ‘to respect, consider’, antonym shpërfill ‘to disrespect,
ignore’: Latin filum ‘thread’. 3. Denominative verb fillon ‘to start,
begin’; adjective fillor ‘elementary, primary’. 4. Idioms fill e për
pe/fill e gjilpër ‘in full detail’, fill e për fill ‘in every detail,
just so’, fill e rend ‘each in turn’, fill vetëm ‘all alone, quite
alone’ etc. It was supposed that it is a loan from Latin filum.
(Pokorny *gWheiH- 495.)

*gWhre:- ‘to smell, breathe’. Alb fryj `breathe, blow, smell, wind',
synonymic with ënjt `to cause to swell' (Gheg âj `id', âjë `swelling'<
*anH- `to breathe') 2. Alb frymë `breath, breathing; wind; spirit;
soul' is a derivative of fryj. (Pokorny *gWhre:- 495.)

To conclude, PIE voiced aspirated labiovelar *gWh-, in initial
position, have yielded in Albanian /f/, till in final position it have
yielded /h/. *gWh- > -z is usual after short stressed /e/.

*gWh- > z, if preceded by e in closed syllable

1. *dhegWh- ‘to warm, burn’. Alb djeg ‘to burn’, but causative *dogWh-
éjo > daz-j > dez deu to i-Umlaut in ndez ‘to inflame, light’, as well
as dialectal form dhez ‘id.’. (Pokorny dhegWh- 240.)

2. Basic participle form *gWhen-to > Alb zânë/zënë, participle
attested in infinitive form m’u zânë ‘to quarrel, occupy’, deverbative
noun zënie ‘wrangle, quarrel, fight, strife’, diminutive zënkë ‘angry,
quarrel, scrap’. Present zâ/zë ‘to ban, to take hold, take, stop’, cf.
MHG ban, bane ‘way, road’ (<’strike’). (Pokorny 2. gWhen-(H) 491.)

3. *gWher- ‘to heat, warm’. 1. Alb zjarm > zjarr ‘fire’ from *gWher-
mo, cf. Greek thermos ‘warm, hot’. 2. Alb ngroh ‘to heat, warm’ from
*H1en- + gWhre:sk’o in closed syllable.

*gWh- > Alb /h/ in final position

1. *dn.g’hWa:/*dn.g’u: ‘tongue’. Because for the first sequence we
have talked thoroughly in Cybalist, I like just to repeat that last
sequence –g’hWa: (Skt jihva:, av hivza, Arm lezu, Gen lezvi: Old
Lating dingua, Lat lingua, OHD zunga: OCS jezy-k&: Toch A käntu, Toch
B käntwo etc.) was treated like –ghW and have yilded Alb –h.

2. *legWh- ‘light’. Alb leh-të ‘light’: Old English liht 'id.': Latin
levis 'id.' (Pokorny 4. legWh- 660.)

3. *egWh- ‘to drink’ > Alb deh ‘to become drunk’ with d- prefix from
*ad- or of unknown origin, like in Greek: Latin e:brius ‘drunk’. Alb
esëll ‘sober’ probably from *o:gWh-el: Lat sobrius ‘id.’: Hittite
ekuzi ‘he drinks’, Greek nephein ‘to be sober’. (Watkins, egWh- 22.)

4. *kneigWh- ‘to lean on’ > Alb ndih ‘to help’ from nih ~ nif with
homorganic /d/: Lat co:ni:ve:re ‘to lean together’. (Pokorny knei-gWh-
608.)

5. *slengWh- ‘to slide, make slide’ > Alb llohë ‘sleet’ from
lengthened suffixed basic form *sle:ngWh-eH2, but with no cognate in
other languages, so beside *sl > ll and *gWh- > h-, very suspicious.
(Pokorny slenk- 961.)

This was the issue about which we disagree with Marius Alexandru, who
claims that only *gWh > g and *gWh > z are valid in Albanian, without
giving any example and constantly ignoring and nullifying my research
on outcome of *gWh.

Konushevci

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