Re: Etymology of Houbit and haben

On Mar 18, 10:52 pm, "Douglas G. Kilday" <fufl...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That does not prevent Latin, a Q-Italic language, from borrowing a
word from a P-Italic language such as Sabine. Latin borrowed
<popi:na> 'cook-shop, eating-house' from Sabine; it is of course
cognate with native Latin <coqui:na> 'kitchen'. Such familiar words
as <bo:s> and <lupus> have P-Italic consonantism and show that the
Sabine component in Latin goes back a long way; the legends of Titus
Tatius as co-regent with Romulus are not so far-fetched. Derivation
of <populus> from P-Italic is much more plausible, and better grounded
in attested forms, than derivation within Q-Italic from *pel-.

Please read the article by Harvey and Baldi (op.cit.).
If you have no easy access to a university library,
you may tell me your snail mail address via e-mail,
and I'll send you a photocopy. One of the four editors
of the Proceedings of the Annual UCLA Indo-European
Conference is Martin Huld, and I guess he wouldn't
allow Harvey and Baldi to publish nonsense.

I see no objection here to my explanation of <popula:ri:>.

You'll find it in the original contribution by Harvey
and Baldi; they quote another military technique
that goes well along with *pel.

Another Latin variant is Populonii, but the important thing is the
Etruscan form, which is consistent. (A coin which allegedly had φ or
f in place of p cannot now be found.)

A Wikipedia stub says that Fufluns was worshipped
at Populonia ...

Unlike most of the Ligurian toponyms in the Sententia Minuciorum,
<Boplo> has no convincing Indo-European etymology (to my knowledge
anyway).

Possibly. In the Iguvian Tables we do find the imperative <nepitu>
'overwhelm with water!', the object being the enemies of Iguvium.
Neptu:nus (based on a 4th-decl. noun *neptus 'flooding' vel sim.) was
probably at first the god of river-flooding. But this has only a
marginal connection with the etymology of <populus>.

I apologize for my very silly mistake. The Etruscan
Neptun was Nethuns, while Fufluns was the god
of plant life, health and healing, and of wine. There
is a link between Fufluns as healer and the poplar
tree: buds of the balmic poplar were used in very
ancient times for making a medical ointment, helpful
in the case of arthritis, and other infirmities.

As for poples 'knee': the city of Basel in Switzerland
is situated on the Rheinknie, on the knee of the river
Rhine. So it may well be that early villages (huts and
fences built in the wattle and daube technique, using
poplar for uprights and willow for the horizontal
interweaving) on bends or knees of a river gave
rise to poples ...

(more in the next reply)

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