Re: Thwart; Serbian odvratiti

On May 11, 7:31 am, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
lorad...@xxxxxx wrote:
On May 10, 12:29 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dušan Vukotić wrote:
http://www.theamericanmind.com/2007/05/08/fort-dix-terrorist-attack-t....

Twarth? This English word is similar to the Serbian verb
'odvratiti' (avert; turn aside; divert!;-); Russian отвращать, Czech
odvrátit;
Are these words inter-related, including the possible relation between
twarth and divert?
No.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and look up the origins of the words
that catch your eye yourself instead of hoping that if you excitedly
shout "Eureka" here every day about something or other, one day you'll
hit on an amazing discovery? At least notice the most obvious things
such as the fact that in "divert", "di-" is a prefix, and I'm guessing
that "ot-", "od-" is also a prefix.

It is. Slavic prefix 'ot' meaning 'from' or 'out of'.

I hate to say it but, (bez)Dushan has tripped upon a likely cognate of
Latin 'vert'...
Not that it has a direct genetic relationship to 'verto'.. but that's
another story.

Perhaps. But if you look back at the history of "thwart" you reach a
form that wouldn't lead anyone to expect a connection, making it clear
that any superficial resemblence one might see with the modern word is
only the result of later evolution

Clarification..
I only meant DV's Serbian verb 'odvratiti'.
Parsed out it's 'ot' + 'vrat'.
The 'vrat' I see as cognate with Latin 'vert/o'.
I find additional support for such a common IE interpretation in
Baltic Latvian where 'verst' (long e) also means 'to turn'.

'Thwart', as you say, looks too long a stretch for any direct south
Slavic 'otvrat'.

Myself, I would suspect some German transitional form indicating
evolution from Baltic 'tvert' and resultant English 'thwart'.






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  • Re: Thwart; Serbian odvratiti
    ... Baltic Latvian where 'verst' also means 'to turn'. ... 'Thwart', as you say, looks too long a stretch for any direct south ... I would suspect some German transitional form indicating ... evolution from Baltic 'tvert' and resultant English 'thwart' ...
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  • Re: Thwart; Serbian odvratiti
    ... that catch your eye yourself instead of hoping that if you ... The 'vrat' I see as cognate with Latin 'vert/o'. ... Baltic Latvian where 'verst' also means 'to turn'. ... evolution from Baltic 'tvert' and resultant English 'thwart'. ...
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