Re: Armenian, Sumerian, Burushaski, and Turkic languages

On May 25, 6:40 pm, Nathan Sanders <nsand...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1180128786.311857.119...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On May 25, 5:21 pm, Nathan Sanders <nsand...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <10dpk2du0vzbi.1gtarz30100hu$....@xxxxxxxxxx>,
"Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 25 May 2007 10:16:57 -0700, "Peter T. Daniels"
<gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
<news:1180113417.587667.255010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
in sci.lang:

On May 25, 12:20 pm, Nathan Sanders <nsand...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That right there is a problem. Many common sound changes
(debuccalization,

I've never heard of "debuccalization." What do cheeks have to do with
articulatory phonetics?

I believe that it refers to a kind of lenition in which an
obstruent loses its oral articulation, typically becoming
[h] or [?]; I've seen it defined simply as 'loss of place of
articulation'.

That's precisely the usage I intended.

However, I've also seen the term extended to
cover lenition of [d] to [G] in Irish.

I haven't seen that usage, but I don't doubt that it's been used that
way. I think it's also been similarly extended to cover shift in
place of articulation for nasals to a velar or uvular.

It's not in Laver, Ladefoged & Maddieson, or Ladefoged.

Neither is "lenition" (at least, not in Ladefoged and Maddieson or
Ladefoged---I don't have Laver to check). These are terms used
primarily in historical linguistics and phonology, not in phonetics.

Trask (1996) uses "debuccalization" on p.57, though only specifically
for oral stops going to [?]. I don't have Campbell handy, so I can't
check how/if he uses it.

In the 2nd ed., not at all.

I learned "lenition" and "lenited" from Robert A. Hall, Jr. -- but I
didn't connect the two spoken words until I saw them in print.

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