Re: Marginale phonemes in Finnish

On May 28, 10:22 am, phogl...@xxxxxx wrote:
On 28 touko, 14:26, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What's the evidence that they should be phonemicized as /V~/ rather
than /Vn/ ?

Days ago, I changed that to /VN/.

As I noted elsewhere: AFAIK they can be realized either as [Vn] or as
[VN], i.e. there is no n ~ N opposition. I would say that
phonemicizing this sort of thing as nasal vowel is at least
convenient..-

Since there is no doubt that /N/ is required in the system, what
justification is there for using /V~/ instead of /VN/ ?

The following:

- The choice of n versus N does not affect the meaning (there is no
opposition)

Excuse me? Are you even less familiar with German than with English?

singen /ziN@n/
sinnen /zin@n/

- Using pure nasal vowel is one possible phonetic realization in
addition to Vn and VN.-

No one has _yet_ shown a phonemic contrast between nasalized vowel and
vowel followed by nasal consonant.

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