Re: Indo-European Languages and Gramatical Gender Loss

On Jun 25, 1:06 am, "John Atkinson" <johna...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...





On Jun 13, 9:42 pm, "John Atkinson" <johna...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote...
On Jun 13, 2:43 pm, Suaprazz...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
[...]

Is there a need for gramatical gender? What is the difference
between
case and gender? Isn't gender in the Bantu languages just another
form of case markings?

Case marks syntactic functions in a clause. Gender marks
coreference
of phrase components.

[...]
My point was
that case and gender typically work on different levels of structure.

Bantu gender markers (i.e. classifiers) have
nothing to do with case.

And, what's more, no Bantu language I know of has any case markings
at
all on NPs.

All right, I don't know it all. Looking at an article by Pascale
Haderman just now on a completely different subject, I came across the
following in a footnote:

"Notons qu'en bodo [a Bantu language of NE Zaire] l'objet est toujours
marque' par la pre'sence d'un ton haut sur le pre'fixe."

Do you want to take that as a "case marking"?

.

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