Re: Slavo-Baltic Etymology and Verner's Law in Latin?

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:13:07 -0000, Du?an Vukoti
<dusan.vukotic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 12, 1:23 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:50 am, Roger Simons <simons...@xxxxxxx> wrote:





On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:57:49 -0700, "Peter T. Daniels"

<gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:38 pm, Roger Simons <simons...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:19:28 -0700, Dominic Bojarski

<dominicbojar...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The English word "cover" has nothing at all to do with "caput". It is
derivied from the Latin "cooperire". The "co-" is a prefix, not part
of the root.

On the contrary, I strongly suspect that L. cap- was acutally an
initially velarized variant of the root op- of L. operire 'cover', and
both are related to the root ap- of PIE apo- up, 'off, away', because
words for up, off, and away implied using the hand to capture and
cover things.

I haven't heard of "initial velarization" before -- is this something
you're positing within Latin, or maybe in Italic?

I suspect it was the natural way of strengthening many interjections
that originally began with vowels in many languages to produce
vocatives. In this case, the interjection was akin to "Oop!" and
"Oof!", which people still use almost instintively when they lift
something up. It results from the natural tendency to strengthen the
stomach muscles by holding one's breath, and subequently releasing the
air in a way that produces a bilabial stop. The result survived in L.
as cap- and in the Gc. languages as hab-, heave, but also up,
notwithstanding beliefs to the contrary. The same development
therefore also took place in AA languages where the root kap- refers
to the same things it does in IE languages, though a genetic
relationship is more likely.

So it's an ad hoc postulate to explain this one item?

Does everyone in the world say "Oop" or "Oof" in that circumstance?

Everyone in the world doesn't say "Ouch!" when they're hurt. It's
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He seems to be mislead by exclamations like 'hop', 'hoppa', 'opa'; but
in some cases he might be right (German hupfen; hoppen jump, spring).
But what to say about hope (hoffen), hap, happy and happiness, up? No,

On the contrary, all these words reveal that they were formed using
the same associations people use when they say that someone is
"upbeat", "high spirited" "bubbling up" "ebullient" "effervescent,
etc. In other words, the words reveal that happiness and hope were
both figuratively conceptualized as a lifting or raising of the
spirit.

I do not believe these words were developed from a simple
interjection; their history must be much more complicated...

Of course, it's got nothing to do with 'cap' and 'caput'...

The words are indeed clearly cognate with L. cap-, but they had to be
orphaned to frame the now alleged law that (1) i niital L. <c>
invariably corresponds to Gc. <h>, and (2) L. <p> must correspond to
Gc. <f> in words that couldn't have been affected by the action
described by Verner.

So, the words were simply explained away as just a few of the
multitude of coincidences that now pervade IE linguistics -- outside
of which the words would be considered counterexamples of the type
that ultimately led to the downfall of Ptolemaic Astronomy and the
geocentric theory.

RS


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