Re: Albanian and the Q-Celtic languages

On Jul 22, 11:53 pm, Darkstar <darkstar...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 22, 5:20 pm, "Richard Wordingham" <jrw0...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Darkstar" <darkstar...@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message

DOG
Albanian KJENI (GEN)
Breton KI
Irish GADHAR

PIE *kwon > Gk. _kuo:n_, English _hound_, Welsh _ci_, Sanskrit _cvan-,
Armenian sun (shibilant), Lithuanian suo, Thai _sunak_, Latin _canis_ (?),
Russ/Polish _suka_ 'bitch', Latvian _kuna_ 'bitch'.

Hey, only /k-/ instances count here. So again, that leaves us with the
"Kentum" languages which are bound to Western Europe.
Again, this example places Albanian as Greek-Italo-Celtic, but it
doesn't help to distinguish from Greek or Latin, to which I should
agree.

Yes, I know the Thai word is a loanword. However, the Latin form is not
explained - it has been suggested that it is a loanword. Similarly, the
Albanian form is distinctly odd - it's been suggested that is a loan from
Latin.

Oh, loanwords everywhere... The dog has been "invented" long before
agriculture. Even Australian aborigines have dogs. . . what Latin
loanwords in the most basic vocabulary?. . .

The Latvian word is also odd - Germanic loanword?

The Latvian for "dog" is "suns", while "kuna" seems to be something
different. "Bitch" is a curse in most languages, not a natural word
for "dog" (we're talking about basic lexics words only...), so it
could be anything (just reminds me of Polish /kurva/ being a German
loanword /hure/ which is also k-initial)... forget that.

Albanian qen 'dog' is hard to be a a loan from Latin, for
intervocalic /n/ would underwent to rhotacism in Tosk dialect. Some
attempts to claim that /n/ is in final position, so it not underwent
to rhotacism, are not based, see Gheg laken, Tosk lakër from Greek
lakhanon or Gheg moken, Toks mokër 'millstone' from Greek ma:khana. I
think that I have explained it on Cybalist and if I am not wrong,
Rasmussen accepts that except *k'won-, as testifies English hound, OE
hund, exists also suffixed form *k'wn.-ti, that will explain also Alb
qen 'dog' from *kenti and the lack of rhotacism in Tosk dialect with w
0, like in *dhwo:r-a: > Alb derë with w > 0. That palatals followed
by nasals and liquids are treated in PAlb as pure velars, we have also
other examples *g'nu-nu > glunu > Gegh guni 'knee', Tosk gjuri (for
regular dissimilation n - n > l - n, see Aenona, later Elona; Turkish
finxhan > Alb filxhan etc.) ; *g'n.-ti > Illryrian royal name Genti
'king'; *mn.-ti > Alb mend 'mind, brain' as examples for output of
syllabic */n./.

Konushevci

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