Re: Are "semi-creoles" widespread?

On Aug 29, 7:10 pm, phogl...@xxxxxx wrote:
Darkstar wrote:
On Aug 24, 5:12 pm, mb <azyth...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 24, 3:21 am, Darkstar <darkstar...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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I'm no expert on French,

So why can't you even be bothered to look it up?

but the uvular /r/, and high-raised,
labialized vowels are not from Vulgar Latin. They sound like they're
from continental Germanic.

The fronted vowels are Gallic, not Germanic.
The uvular r, as elsewhere noted, is late, 17th C. court fashion, and
it went from Paris to Germany not the other way around. At least that
is what even a quick internet lookup would have shown you.

Note that all phonology is normally an areal feature. It tends to defy
language borders just like most other typological characteristics. For
instance, modern Irish would be probably spoken with at least traces
English accent.

"Would be probably spoken"? Are you unaware of the fact that there is
a living, natively spoken modern Irish language?- Hide quoted text -

"Would probably be spoken"... I've never heard a single one of them.
But I predict that most of them (including the monoglotts if there are
any) have English phonology, especially vowels.
BTW, a language lives as long as the monoglotts do. Statistics on
bilingualism doesn't count as evidence for "native-speakingness".
Otherwise, anyone with just a few words in Irish would claim a direct
descent from the Druids.

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