Re: Phonemes

On Sep 14, 9:49 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 14, 2:57 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I asked for a state of the art definition of a phoneme.
Nobody ready to give me one?

Since I don't usually read your messages any more, I did not see that
request. Did you miss my entire exchange with DKleinecke and Nathan
discussing whether "phoneme" is even used in contemporary phonology
any more? Since it largely isn't, there would be no such thing as a
"state-of-the-art" definition.

Classically and simply put, a phoneme is a minimal stretch of speech
that distinguishes one morpheme from another. (In Zellig Harris's
apotheosis of "Methods in Structural Linguistics" (1951), the only
information the analyst needs to do a complete phonological and
morphological analysis of a language is "same or different?"
respecting any pair of utterances.)

You baffle me. In October 2006 I doubted the existence of phonemes,
whereupon you told me they do exist and have a neurological basis.
Look up the subthread _movemes and phonemes (Asian dancers)_
(just google for movemes in sci.lang), the message wherein you
informed me about the neurological basis of phonemes might be
found before I started the subthread, perhaps on Oct. 18 or 19.
I relied on your piece of information and believed in a neurological
basis that goes along with physiology - one part of a phoneme
might be located in the brain, more precisely in an area that controls
the voice, the other one in the physiology of the gab, and they might
perform some sort of limbo together - just a first notion, to be
further
developed. What is that neurological basis you spoke about?
have there been neurological experiments involved? in the MRI?
I'd be grateful for a reference.-

You have gone completely mad. If _you_ will reread that thread, you
will see that the only person talking about "neurological basis" is
_you_.

What I said in the posting to which you responded with discussion of
"neurological basis" is that the psychological reality of phonemes had
been amply demonstrated beginning early in the 20th century.

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