Re: Fr/lat/ru tu-vous/tu-vos/ - : etymology ?

On Oct 8, 5:29 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:01:12 -0700, "Peter T. Daniels"
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On Oct 7, 10:35 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:00:29 -0700, "Peter T. Daniels"
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On Oct 7, 3:49 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:18:42 -0700, "Peter T. Daniels"
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You're mad, sir. "Was" and "Oz" are a perfect rhyme.
(Whatever symbol you choose to use to represent the
vowel.)
They aren't. It isn't the Wizard of Uz. It *is* 'we wuz
robbed'.
Maybe in rural outskirts of Cleveland.
I rather doubt that Joe Jacobs grew up in the rural
outskirts of Cleveland.
Who?

Max Schmeling's Jewish-American manager, who famously said
'We wuz robbed!'.

M-W has [az] and [w@z, waz] (s.v. be!)

M-W OnLine has, using its symbolism, /'w&z/ and /'wäz/. Its
/&/ represents both [V] and [@] ('\&\ as a and u in abut'),
and stress mark in /'w&z/ suggests that they're talking
about the stressed form of the word: [wVz], then [wAz].
Does the printed version use other symbols, or did you
simply misunderstand them?

AHD3 s.v. <be> gives the vowel as u-breve or o-breve (in
that order) when stressed and as @ when unstressed; this
also is [wVz] or [wAz], with unstressed [w@z].

I retract my earlier statement that no common U.S. variety
has [A]; I do not retract the claim that [V] is common,
quite possibly more common than [A].

Brian

Kenyon & Knott (1944) have (slightly simplifying):
stressed: wAz [i.e. funny "a" representing woz]
unstressed: w@z
restressed: wVz

A quick riffle through the forematter did not reveal an explanation of
what they mean by "restressed". Anybody have an idea?

Ross Clark

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