Re: historical pronunciation of sicilia

On Nov 8, 6:08 pm, "ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx"
<ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 7, 1:01 pm, phogl...@xxxxxx wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:50 pm, Marc <marc.ad...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The Arabic word for Sicily is Siqi:liyya, and I was wondering, during
what century did the c start being pronounced [tS] (or whatever it was
pronounced after it was no longer [k])?

Sicilia was named after the Siculi, an Italic people speaking a
language related to Latin. Greeks colonized Sicilia and called it
Sikylia, where y is the Greek letter ypsilon. Ypsilon was pronounced
as an "oo" sound to start with, but became more like a German ü, and
then more like i, in Greek. The name Sikylia was adopted into Latin as
Sicilia, and then the -c- became [tS] along the rest of the soft c:s
when Latin turned into Italian.

That presumes that Sicilian was identical to Italian.

It sure is one of the Italians.

Motya became Mozia in Italian but Mozzia in Sicilian

Same thing: In Italian the spelling of /'motsja/, unchanged from v.
Latin, varies somewhat between 1 and 2 <z> according to the area.
Written with a single z it might be read /modzja/ down there.
And how does Mozia apply to the question?

; the seems to show that
Sicilian was different from Italian but still had some palatalization.

If by Italian you mean the originally Tuscan-based present standard,
then Sicilian does not differ from it in point of the (v. Latin)
palatalization /k/ > /tS/ before front vowels. You may be intending
some Sardinian languages that did not experience that sound change --
different.

Panormos became Palermo.

And how would that apply?

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