Re: nasal m and n
- From: yangg <fournet.arnaud@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:54:45 -0800 (PST)
On Dec 13, 12:50 pm, Allan Adler <a...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm used to nasal n in French but, once, when I wanted to buy a stamp at======
a tabac in France, I noticed that the proprietor pronounced the m in timbre
nasally. I've been wondering whether there are distinct nasal m and nasal
n sounds in French.
Arnaud :
There is no distinction between vowel + m and vowel + n.
Graphic conventions have m before b and p, otherwise -n-.
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As long as I'm wondering about that, I'm also wondering about the fact
that PIE used to have vocalic m and n, and whether these nasal m and n
in French are in any sense vocalic.
Arnaud
Northern dialects of French now have only three nasal vowels.
aN : as in : an "year".
eN : as in : un "one"
oN : as in : on "we all" and German value "man" or English impersonal
"one"
Southern dialects still have un "one" as öN distinct from eN.
From a classical point of view about phonology,
these aN eN oN are "pure" vowels that appear in the same environments
as simple vowels a e o i u.
Now in you take an approach that deals with syllabic structure,
the situation is a bit different :
If you look at the environnement : Stop_vowel_n_s,
if you put a e o in this context, people will turn up with a nasal aN,
eN, oN
if you put i, it's not nasal : b-i-n-s (four segments) "disorder"
if you put u (written <ou> as in food), you got u+n (two segments)
I suppose one could provide a description of French with an underlying
complex syllable-structure
accounting for the fact that nasal aN eN oN alternate with non nasal i
+n, u+n.
Arnaud
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