Re: A Hidden Secret

On Jan 2, 5:37 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

First, how do you know that words like sakriti, skriti, skrenuti were
(as you say) "devised" during the "last millennium"? Does it mean that
Slavs were so much plain spoken (honest) people that they needed no
words to express or descibe "secrets"?

There are zillions of different Sl. words for "secrets" and there
always have been.

What are we going to do with
the Greek word απόκρυφος/apocryphos (Lat. apocryphus) and Serbian
pokrivati (to cover), pokrov (land cover, a screen placed over dead
person or coffin), κρύφιος /  κρύπτω  (keep secret, cover in the
earth, bury; crypt grave)  krivati, skrivati, sa-krivati (keep
secret), Serbian grob (grave, tomb).

I would say, it is impossible to see clear relations between Greek
απόκρυφος and Latin secretus (secerno) without "deploying" the Serbo-
Slavic words sakriti and sakrivati/pokrivati.

pappekak


"sakriti", "skrýt", "zaskrýti" are all constructed as compound of
prefix(behind/down)+stem(to shield).

Of course! I mentioned it in my initial post on this thread (see
above).

Slavic 'sakriti' is related to the other Slavic words as
'skrenuti' (deviate) and 'strana' (side);

poppy***

Use the logic: whatever is strange to the human mind that must be a
secret. What is etymology of the English word "screen"? Is there any
relation among Latin secerno (set apart), Serb. skrenuti (deviate) and
Eng. screen? Can you not see that this is not a chance resemblance?
Try to relate the other words, Eng. deviate, devide and devoid?; or
Latin divido and deviantem (devius) where the prefix de- is clearly
visible (Slavic od-)?

poppy-poppy-poopy-pap

What is the meaning of the Czech word odvádět
(Serbian odvoditi, odvajati lead away, separate)?. Do you see the
clear-cut relation between the Slavic words voda (water) and put
(road, path, way)?

Jeezwayne.

"odvádět" = "od-" (from/away) + "ved(U)-" ("vád-" continuous form
of higly productive stem 'to lead') + "-t(i)" (infinitive marker)

The meaning is clearly "to lead away", absolutely nothing to
do with water.

If you do not know that Slavic words vodja (leader) and vladar (ruler)
are related to voda, water and leader then you know nothing about the
history of the language development.

DV


Let us take another example: English short (from OE sceort) has its
counterpart word in German kurz and Serbo-Slavic s-kratiti (from
kratak short; Russ. сокращать; Czech zkrácený shortened; Serbian imp.
skrati! cut short!). As you can see, German form kurz, Swedish kort,
Danish kort are phonetically very close to the Serbian verb kratiti,
krati (shorten), Czech krátce or Russian короткий / korotkiy (short).
We can see that in Slavic the word skratiti is a sa- prefixed kratiti
(shorten).  My question is where the initial sound "S" came from in OE
sceort (short)?

There is quite a big difference between prefixes "s-" and "z-".
AFAIK, their OSlavic predecesors had separate meaning with
different etymologies. In the conteporary West Slavic they
are still separate with totally different meanings. The voicing
and devoicing (which may vary in different dialects of Czech)
sometimes heavily modifies their pronunciations, one may
_sound_ like the other, but they are always written down
to correctly represent their respective meanings.

AFAICT, more recently they got mixed up to various degrees
in the East and South Slavic languages. Your failure to
distinguish between them demonstrates effects of that.

"s-" indicates swiping movement off the top of something, or
      gathering movement together.
E.g. "smetl" he swiped off, "sebral" he collected, "sec^etl" he added up.

"z-" indicates change of status (no movement implied),
E.g. "zrudl" he became red, "zmlkl" he became quiet
       "zkra'tit" to shorten

All the same Kriha. Czech z-rudnout (turn red) or Serbian za-rudeti
are the za- prefixed (from the verb rudeti; Czeh rudost redness). The
same happened to the word zkrátit (shorten; Serbin skratiti), Czech
krátkost (shortness).
I asked you, are the Germanic and Slavic words for "shortness" related
or not? If they are related (and obviously they are) how do you
explain that Slavic "short" is a prefixed word?

Any idea?

Closely related to "secretions"?

Very good Kriha, you are right! Secretion is also derived from Latin
secerno.

No, English "secretion" is from Med. Latin "se-cre-tio-"
while English "secern" is from Latin "se-cernere" (to separate).

So, "secretion" was not derived directly from L. "se-cernere".

Books are made for reading, did you not know it?

DV
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