Re: Deutcher = Teacher

On Jan 17, 10:12 am, lorad...@xxxxxx wrote:

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On Jan 13, 9:54 pm, "Dušan Vukotić" <dusan.vuko...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:52 am, Harlan Messinger
[...]
A rhetorical question doesn't disprove a theory.
Only a complete idiot could believe into such a stupidity!
Only a complete idiot would think that by asking a rhetorical question
he has disproved a theory.

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Nemac does not mean 'mute' in any of Slavic languages and we could
also say with the same "certainty" that Nemac came from the Serbian
'nemoć' (impotence) or the verb 'nemati' (be without) or
'neman' (monster).

Good.. just as I guessed when I said;
"Getting back to the Baltic root we find 'ne + maćigi' as the most
original root.
It doesn't mean 'mute' in Baltic.. it means 'uneducated' /'incapable'.
I don't know if a Slavic equivalent exists.. but wouldn't be surprised
if one did."

Your 'nemoć' (impotence) looks to be suitable.

Moćan, mighty, mächtig, magnus; all these words are derived from the
reduplicated Gon basis. I do not suppose you will be able to
understand what I'm going to tell you, but anyway: Latin negatio was
born from the same source as cognitio; the same happened to Serbian
neznanje (ignorance) and saznanje (knowledge), ništa (nothing) and
nešto (something), imanje (possession, property) and nemanje (non-
possession) etc...

I do not understand what your syntagm "most original root" means? Do
you really believe that Baltic is the "mother tongue" of IE languages?
AS I told you many times before: none of the European languages is
either the "oldest" or the "older" one. All the IE tongues started
in one place (no one knows where and when) and the branches of IE
(Slavic, Germanic, Romance) were physically separated (isolated from
each other) for a certain period of time. Even dialects among the same
language are the "formation" of a temporary whole or partly
(self)imposed isolation. Simply, when they met one another again they
could not make them internally understandable...

DV

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Once again, Nemac is of the same origin as the Serbian name Nemanja
(Stefan Nemanja) - kneg/knez, king/knight, Njegos/Negus.

I don't think so. Imo, a different root is involved.
....
Looking back at what Kriha wrote...

"I can't type Cyrillics easily, I give you Czech versions to show you
the difference between "mute" and "German". It was probably
the Western Slavs who were first Slavs to come into contact
with Celts and later Germans. BTW, interesting is, that it was
probably the Celts who were called "non-speaking" first, and
only later the Germans.

"Německý jazyk" = German language
"Němec" = German (person)
"Němčina" = German (language)

"Jazyk němých" = Language of the mute
"Němý" = the mute
"Němota" = the muteness "

Czech 'nemota' would make sense to a Baltic speaker;
'Ne muta'; is literally 'no mouth' (voice).

Czech nemota is related to Serbian nemost (Serb."nemušt jezik" the
'speech' of animals, an unclear speech). As you can see, it has no
direct connection to Latvian muta (mouth). Maybe there can be some
indirect connections among words as Eng. mute, Serbian mutav (mute), u/
muknuti (shut up) and the word mouth (Ger. Mund), because Serbian
'umuknuti' is derived from the Gon-Bel-Gon basis in the same way as
the Serbian words 'komešanje' (stir up) and
'mešanje'/'meljanje' (mixing) were born from an older word,
'kobeljanje' (to roll about; a cloud-like movement). Namely, Serbian
verb 'mukati' (bleat, moo) is of an imitative origin (voice of a cow)
likewise it happened to the Serbian verb 'bukati' (boo; bull, Serb.
bik/vo-l bull/ox). B => M sound change is well visible in this case.
Nevertheless, above "imitation" could be just incidental, because
there are other Serbian cognates as verb puknuti (burst, explode; from
Bel-Gon basis) that completely correspond to buka (noise) and buknuti
(break out, flash) or bljesnuti (flash).

Finally, there is Serbian word 'iz-ne-moglo-st' (feebleness) that
could be the key-word for the understanding of the above-mentioned
word 'nemost' (muteness, dumbness). In addition, if we know that
'nemost' is also known in Serbian as 'o-ne-melo-st' (muteness;
onemelost => nemost => one-meti /to mute; Serb. mutav mute/; o-nem-eti
=> Serb. nem mute) then the picture about the history of the word mute
can be completed.

Whoever read the above lines carefully could see that Serbo-Slavic
words mutav, nem (mute) and nemoć (from the same above "iz-nemoglost"
feebleness) shared the same Gon-Bel-Gon basis. On the other side,
there is the Serbian word 'na(d)moć' (predominance, supremacy), which
is the "ancestor" of the words like Serbian personal name Nemanja or
the Serbo-Slavic name for Germans - Nemci - as well as knez, king and
negus. Even the names as Nabunaid and Neptune, Latin nepotem/nepos
(nephew); cf. Hungarian német (German) and German tribe Nemeti (from
Nebleti, Nobles).

I must repeat again: only a total idiot could believe that Germans
were named Nemci according to the Slavic word nem- (mute)!

DV

Btw. Standard etymology gives eg.:
"mouth
O.E. muþ, from P.Gmc. *munthaz (cf. O.Fris. muth, O.N. munnr, M.Du.
mont, Ger. Mund, Goth. munþs "mouth"), with characteristic loss of
nasal consonant in O.E. (cf. tooth, goose, etc.), from PIE *mnto-s
(cf. L. mentum "chin"). In the sense of "outfall of a river" it is
attested from c.1122; as the opening of anything with capacity (a
bottle, cave, etc.) it is recorded from c.1200. The verb is c.1300,
"to speak," from the noun. Mouthful "a lot to say" is from 1748. "

..However Latvian 'muta' looks much more straightforward, doesn't it?
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