Cybalist "laryngeal" lunacy

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/55948

Underneath is an excerpt from a long "laryngeal" debate on Cyba-Cave-
List. After having read this thread, a reasonable clearminded person
would certainly have concluded that something went terrible wrong
during the process of the Cyba-Cavemen's brain evolution: - Insane
*** the confused!
These people behave like a bunch of monkeys, confined in a narrow
cage, while trying to grab the virtual banana from the TV screen.

First, the words like Gr. oκταλλος (oκκον), Lat. oculus, Serbo-Slavic
oko (ugledati look, spot; ogledalo mirror), Ger. Auge are not related
to Gr. οπτιλλος, οφθαλμος, όπτός, όψις M.Lat. opticus. The so-called
Greek -̂Wh- > -kW- > -p/ph/f- "phonetic mutation" is the product of an
overheated and exuberant imagination.

It means that the first above-mentioned group of IE words (oculus) is
derived from the Gon-Bel basis (Serbian ognjilo fire, fireplace;
oknilo/okno window; Czech okno; Russ. окно; hence oko eye); while the
other one (opticus, ophtalmus) has been derived from the Bel-Gon basis
(Serb. viđenje, Lat. visio -onis seeing, vision). Greek ophtal-mos is
related to Serbian videlo; inst. videlom (daylight; raditi za videla =
to work by daylight); i.e. oftal-mos is the same as Slavic verb videti
(see; Serb. 3rd pl. pp. uvideli they understood)

Similar is in the case of the number seven and eight (Gr. επτάς;
οκτάς; όγδοάς; Lat. septem. octo; Serb. sedam, osam; Ger. sieben,
acht etc.).

DV

--- In cybalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <miguelc@...>
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:28:39 +0100, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: Piotr Gasiorowski


So far, _you_ have presented no clear argument for separating *h3ekW-
from *h1ekW- and you are trying to shift the burden off your shoulders.

Piotr

=========
Dear Piotr

In north Caucasic,

to see/ eye *?_kw
face : *H_(r)q.w


I think what Piotr had in mind was internal evidence from
Indo-European.

The material in Pokorny offers only two possibilities:

1) Greek ení:sso: (geneuert ení:pto:), Aor. e:ní:papon und
enéni:pon `tadeln, rügen, ahnden, tätlich zurechtweisen',
without breaking, so possibly from *h1en-h1i-h1kW-je/o-.

2) OIr. enech, mcymr. enep `Gesicht, Antlitz', mbret. enep
ds. und Präp. `gegen', und cymr. wyneb `Antlitz', acymr.
let-einepp `halbe Seite' [unklar]. With apparent -e-, so
possibly from *h1en-h1ekW-om.

Both cases are possible, but not very strong (e.g. we could
have distant assimilation *h1..h3 > *h1..h1).

Also interesting (from the point of view of labialization
dissimilation) is Pokorny's reference to the root *ok-
"überlegen" (Greek oknos, Gmc. aha, ahta).

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
miguelc@...
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