Re: The "u" and "v" in older written English is confvsing

Tue, 27 May 2008 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT): "ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx"
<ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx>: in sci.lang:

I couldn't, until I read that that's the true phonetic nature of the
Northern England sun vowel, and also of the put vowel. (So <put> and a
stressed <but> have the same vowel there, in line with the spelling.)

I'm surprised at "put"; how reliable is your information?

Daniel Jones, 1956, The pronunciation of English.
Page 42, par. 120:
"In parts of the North short u is replacesby a partially unrounded o
(phonetic symbol [gamma like thingy]. "

Page 45, par. 133 (about the vowel of cup, dull, mother)
"In the North a 'backer' variety is generally heard. So also in
America. Sometiems, especially in Yorkshire, the sound used is so
'back' as to be reminiscent of <b>u</b> from which it is believed to
have been derived. [Note with ref. to article in Shakespeare].
The Yorkshire sound is a nearly unrounded o (phonetically o-).

Page 46, par. 134:
"People with a pronounced Yorkshire accent use o- not only is place of
RP V, but also in place of RP u. Examples: ko-p, do-l, 'fo-ni (funny),
fo-l (full). See also par. 130 [with discusses alternation of /u/ and
/u:/ ; RH]

Manchester is not Yorkshire I think, and this is only a parody, not
Coronation street itself: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0uSHlzHw7I , but
it shows this pronuncioation of /V/ (except in the swearword at the
very end, why?).
It didn't hear any short /u/'s to compare it with though.

This parody is interesting too, lots of different British accents
there. Unfortunately, I didn't detect any short /u/ spoken in a
nothern accent. It seems to be rather infrequent.

(Or did I miss it? The woman talking about the apocalypse thing has
the strongest northern accent, I think. I find it quite hard to
understand it at all.
The man to the left, the rhotic one, is Irish? Or is that northern
English too?
--
Ruud Harmsen

http://rudhar.com
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