Re: Portuguese lingual r

On Jun 6, 8:28 pm, "Ekkehard Dengler" <ED...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
António Marques wrote:
And it turns out that during the last year I've been listening more
attentively to speakers, and very many do have a lingual trill for
their /r/. Mostly people from the countryside, and, for all I can
tell, from every region. And it's a quite unremarkable lingual r. The
weird part is that I still don't think it is the same sound that Ruud
provided some samples of from RTP news pieces. Which raises the
question, are there any other trilled sounds usable as rs, and which
are not too different from a lingual trill (less so than the english
r, for instance)?

Uvular trills may be less common in Portuguese than is generally thought but
they do exist.

Look, Ekkehard made a joke!

Incidentally, have you noticed that people from the southern
half (or two thirds) of the country pronounce the <ou> diphthong /o/?

No luck there. I spend quite a lot of time among them. In fact, my
dialect is no different in that regard. Still waiting for the spelling
mistakes. We're pretty much an illiterate people, but <o> for <ou>
appears only twice in a lifetime. I'm suprised that you, who are able
to notice that /u/ has a reduced, central-leaning allophone - it would
be a much more consistent system if only /U/ were a phoneme, as it
stands all vowels come in pairs except u... - should fall prey to the
simplistic ideia that there must either be an [ow]/[o] opposition or
an [o]/[o] merger, but no other possibility.

I see plenty of spelling mistakes, but seldom if ever toro or coro or
loro or tesora or vassora... I've seen professoura - but from someone
who *did* say professoura.
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