Re: BBC does it again

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:13:12 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
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On Jun 10, 12:24 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:22:14 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
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On Jun 10, 4:23 am, Ruud Harmsen <realemailons...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:49:39 -0700 (PDT): "Peter T. Daniels"
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Because /a/ is the latter vowel in BrE. The father vowel is /A:/

Once again, you are making a _single_ phonemic contrast with two
_different_ symbols -- lettershape AND length-mark. One (and only one)
of them is redundant. Either you distinguish the vowels by quality, OR
you distinguish them by quantity. NOT by both.

I know this counters the generally held view, but I don't agree with
that view.

Then don't expect to be understood, or taken seriously.

By you.  Others seem to have no trouble, and as I pointed
out a while back, the Handbook of the IPA explicitly says
that this sort of representation is 'in accord with the
principles of the IPA'.

The IPA has always considered itself something apart from phonemic
theory. A "broad transcription" is not necessarily the same as a
phonemic transcription, and / / are not part of the IPA system.

And the well-known phonemic analyses of RP that mark both
length and quality don't exist, eh? You have a truly
remarkable aptitude for ignoring facts that conflict with
your prejudices.

By the way, slants figure prominently in the introductory
material in the Handbook.

Brian
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