Re: Portuguese lingual r

Ekkehard Dengler wrote:

António Marques wrote:
On Jun 6, 8:28 pm, "Ekkehard Dengler" <ED...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Incidentally, have you noticed that people from the southern half
(or two thirds) of the country pronounce the <ou> diphthong /o/?
No luck there. I spend quite a lot of time among them. In fact, my dialect is no different in that regard. Still waiting for the
spelling mistakes.

Try googling for "coro cabeludo" then.

I don't know about your google, but the one I consulted yields mostly
brazilian results (the very first of which refers to a choir, and no,
puns are not conclusive of mergers), and some are '...choir, hairy...'.
All of which summed are very few compared to the correct query (though google is known to give very fallible estimates of result counts). 'Touro' queries are unfortunately complicated by spanish contamination. I'll admit there are a few more vassoras than I expected.

We're pretty much an illiterate people, but <o> for <ou> appears
only twice in a lifetime. I'm suprised that you, who are able to
notice that /u/ has a reduced, central-leaning allophone - it would
be a much more consistent system if only /U/ were a phoneme, as it
stands all vowels come in pairs except u... - should fall prey to
the simplistic ideia that there must either be an [ow]/[o]
opposition or an [o]/[o] merger, but no other possibility.

An opposition either exists or it doesn't

If you wish to be taken seriously, at least try to read. 'There
are more oppositions possible than simple [ow]/[o].'

and the simple fact is that there is no difference at all. I'm sorry
to have brought this up now. I got my hopes up when I read that you'd
been listening more attentively to speakers.

Heaven forbid questioning assumptions.
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