Re: Portuguese lingual r

Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:38:47 +0200: "Ekkehard Dengler"
<ED-RS@xxxxxxxxxxx>: in sci.lang:

Yes. But I expect that if the isn't consciously recording, but
speaking spontaneously, he'll make the difference tooo, but without
knowing it and still denying it.

Ah. I have no idea how likely that is; I know next to nothing about Dutch.
But I'm reminded of a very long and probably fruitless discussion I once had
with a native speaker of German who insisted that the spelling reform
shouldn't have introduced the alternative spelling "aufwändig", because if
"aufwändig" existed, it wouldn't be pronounced like "aufwendig". There's
nothing to prevent anyone from actually pronouncing these differently, of
course, and if a speaker is consistent enough about their spelling
pronunciations, they've effectively created their very own phonemic
opposition.

But they're probably not spellings pronunciations, because I probably
already had them when I was four and couldn't read. The voiced gg also
occurs in dialectal " 't most nie maggen" (Standard Dutch "het moest
niet mogen), and <goochelen> and <goochem> for some reason I learnt
as "choochelen" and "choochem" at a pre-school age.

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Ruud Harmsen

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