Re: Ligurian ending "-asco"

On Jun 28, 6:51 pm, Marco Pagliero <mart...@xxxxxx> wrote:
On 20 Jun., 18:36, mb wrote:> On Jun 19, 11:14 am, Marco Pagliero wrote:
they say it comes from Celtic/Roman -acus meaning village, but where
comes -acus from?)

["They" also say in some places that it could well be an adjectival
ending (like, say, -ish). They don't really seem to have much to bite
into]

Yes, this is apparently a topic where the one secured information is:
it is controversial. This is curious, because on the other hand
everyone can easily learn Ligurian :-)http://www.mylanguageexchange.com/Learn/Ligurian.asp
But linguistics is not easy, when one can find (about the origins of
the Piedmontais language):
Balma (cavern), from the Celtic “Beal” (watercourse);
Bealera (brook), from the Celtic “Beal” (hill);

I found the coordinates in some semi-official lists, they are not that
accurate and I deleted half a dozen yellow points falling in the sea,
Belgium or the Switzerlands,

Why on Earth? Belgium and Switzerland are smack within the area.
Already in Ticino -asco/-asca/-azzo makes up a respectable percentage
of place names.

I have nothing against Belgians or Helvetians, but of both lists I
used one was of the french, the other of the italian minicipalities,
so no dot was supposed to autonomously migrate over the borders.

But I take yours as an interesting proposal and I will, when I have
some time and if I find the applicable lists, plot this kind of
toponyms from Belgium, Switzerland and Spain.

Can you suggest what could have become of -asco, -brac, and -acum in
the germanic and hiberian languages?

If you don't mind my answering this question you pose
to 'my boy' (mb), I may say that I found a good answer.

From the proud mountain massif Monte Rosa
on the Swiss-Italian border flows a river by the name
of Anza through a valley called Anzasca, so the
ending -asca must have the meaning of pertaining to:
the valley pertaining to the river Anza is the Val Anzasca.
In Switzerland we have the town of Fryburg and the land
pertaining to the town called das Fryburgische, in French:
Fribourg (town) le Fribourgeois (land). German: Freud
(founder of psychoanalysis) ein freudscher Versprecher
(a freudian slip); Kafka (an author) kafkaesk, eine
kafkaeske Situation (a situation as imagined by Kafka).
In the female affix -eske you can easily recognize
a derivative of -asca, and the origin of this ending was,
I believe, Magdalenian AS CA --- upward (as) sky (ca).
My country Switzerland was founded by three legendary
heroes on a mountain meadow above lake Lucerne,
each of them raised his right arm and hand, and thus
they took an oath to God in the sky above. Who can
give land if not God? Yahweh in the case of Israel,
whose name may come from ShA CA --- ruler (sha)
sky (ca), ruler of the sky, also known as "rider of
clouds." Yahweh presumably came from Mount Seir
in the Negev. Arcadian Sseyr resided on top of Mount
Lycaion, from where one has a breath-taking view
over the Peloponnese, and where a pre-Greek altar
and crystal seal have been discovered recently. Greek
Sseyr (Middle Helladic) Sseus (Doric) Zeus (Homeric)
resided on top of Mount Olympos. Many gods lived
on mountain tops. Maybe Monte Maggiorasca above
Genova in Liguria was the abode of another ancient
god? of a god or a goddess granting this or that?
whereupon hypothetical AS CA 'up above in the sky'
turned into a sacred and then more and more profane
notion of possession, mainly of land? Monte Alzasca
in the canton of Ticino may then have been the abode
of another major deity granting land and other favors.
.

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