Re: FGC to Grapheus

On Jul 24, 8:48 pm, "graph...@xxxxxxx" <graph...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 24, 8:30 pm, altero.pol...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:



Dearest Grapheus,
excuse my delayed replay, please (familiar occupations during the last
week end and the following days).
A part last days discussions... I have to pose you another little
difficulty I have (pardon my rough locutions): I read scholars try to
interpretate Linear A Signs on the base of Linear B correspondants or
expressions (e.g.: potokuro); otherwise sometimes I found you cannot
found your assumptions on Phaestos Disk starting from the same Linear
B (signs/expressions). It seems to me a strange logical proceeding
when it's based on uncertain time's (linguistical evolution ?)
succession.
More and better: it's possible you can separate (and abstract from)
probable/unsure sign's signifiance from sign's (probable/unsure,
syllabic or not) sound? I mean: can you (easily, opportunistically:
when you need) adjust your interpretation without a constant
"converting" method?
I hope I was able to present my mind in a quite comprehensible way...
else...
Furthermore, about "my interpretations", you can have, obviously by
combinations, many of them.
Thank's the same when you reject all my absurdities.
FGC

If I understan correctly your question, you are asking me : "Why the
Phaistos Disk is NOT related in one way or the other to the LinearA/
B ?"..
Well, the answer is easy : The "Civilization of the Disk" IS NOT
"Minoan". Lnear A and B, as are also the Cypriot Syllabic Scripts,
HAVE A MINOAN ORIGIN. NOT the Disk !.. The Disk belongs to a DIFFERENT
Civilization, Greek yes, but NOT "Mycenaean"... This is easily
explained by the "Reconstruction of the Prehistory of the Greeks" :
the "Greek ethnic Group" was born South of Danube from the mixing of
local populations with "Indoeuropeans" who came from South Russia (M.
Gimbutas' theory). This Greek Ethnic Group moved South in three
"Waves" : the "Proto-Ionic" one came by sea c. 3000 to the Cyclades,
and later (c. 250OBC) to Euboea and Attic -- the "Achaeans/Mycenaeans"
came by land c. 2100BC -- as for the "Dorian wave", archaeologists
don't agree about the date. But they agree that the went first to the
West of Greece. So, their LANGUAGE was the same : Greek. But their
"Cultures" (in particular Script) were somewhat different...

Regards
grapheus

I just realized that your second question was: "Is it a link between
what a sign represents and the sound that he expresses?".
The answer is YES. In other words, the script is what is called
"acrophonic", what means that IF THE LANGUAGE WAS ENGLISH, the sign
representing "an ARROW" would have the value A (or AR)-- the sign
reprenting "a MATTOCK" would have the value MA -- etc. This
"acrophonic method" has been used by some would-be-decipherers, but it
is VERY DANGEROUS, because you can read Sign 29 for instance as "a
CAT", "a LION", "A LEOPARD", or even "a DOG", etc. SO, this is NOT the
method used par J. Faucounau, the author of the "Proto-Ionic
Solution", at least at the beginning. Being a mathematician, he
started studying the Disk with "Calculations of Probabilities"
concerning the language and the type of script, using each time
diverse "linguistico-statistical criteria" (his osn words). After
several years of such calculations, he found that the BEST PROBABILITY
was in favour of a GREEK DIALECT and of a "Certain type of SYLLABIC
SCRIPT" (His own words). He concentrated, then, on these hypotheses
and could find some "probable phonetic values" (IF the said hypotheses
were correct). He got then the surprise to record that the script
"seemed acrophonic" and that such a fact "could not be reasonably due
to chance" (His own words). This unexpected event allowed him to reach
a full decipherment of the text...
It is very interesting to notice that this non-acrophonic-at-the-start
method has given a BETTER RESULT than the "purely acrophonic methods"
used by other would-be-decipherers, concerning the "PLAUSIBILITY" of
the links "sign-significance//corresponding phonetic value". Another
presomption of the value of the "Proto-Ionic Solution"...

Regards
grapheus

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