Re: The monumental stupidity of PIE theorists further illustrated

On Jul 25, 8:37 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 25, 5:52 am, analys...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:



On Jul 24, 10:06 pm, "benli...@xxxxxxxxxx" <benli...@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jul 25, 10:59 am, analys...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Jul 24, 5:15 pm, Bart Mathias <math...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

analys...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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why look so far for "borrowing with fortition" (my solution to restore
Sanskrit as PIE for cases when sanskrit's sounds could not have
genetically given rise to those of Greek etc.) when we have
attestations of Hawaiian changing s,sh to k?

I wonder if that ever happened? I can't think of any instances.

Could you be thinking of the *replacement* of s and sh by k in
borrowings of non-Hawaiian words into an s-less language?

Yes. It is fascinating that "k" is the closest sound to "s" in
Hawaiian.

But then we also have "erku" of Armenian that is allegedly descended
from PIE "duo".

I thought you didn't believe this.

I neither believe it nor disbelieve it. On the one hand it seems
absurd but on the other hand, it is an example of a hard sound claimed
to have been descended from a soft sound - a phenomenon I'm going to
have to claim occurred least in a minority of cases to be able to
effectively restore the Sanskrit = PIE identity.

What is this "hard sound / soft sound" crap?

It's something I hear from Russians, except that their hard t is the
same as what an Indian calls a soft t. Analyst probably means plosive
vs. fricative.

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