Re: Redefining [a] and [æ]? or using a better vowel quadrilateral?

On Aug 9, 12:09 pm, "ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx"
<ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 8, 11:32 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Aug 8, 7:39 pm, "ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx"

<ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 27, 10:38 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 27, 4:54 pm, Nathan Sanders <nsand...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Almost no linguist uses the IPA cardinal vowels exclusively to
represent true cardinal vowels.

As is obvious from the CD accompanying Ladefoged's *Vowels and
Consonants*, which includes a number of distinguished phoneticians'
demonstrations of the cardinal vowels, including Daniel Jones and
Peter Ladefoged, no two phoneticians, even those trained directly by
Daniel Jones (let alone those trained by his pupils), make the same
noises as either each other or him.

If there's a synthetic demonstration, two speech sythesizers would
presumably produce the same sounds.

And what would be the basis of those sounds?

Possibly an averaging of several people's speech, producing sounds
that are not articulated by any one person. Possibly a quadrilateral
with some formants being synthetic such as cardinal vowels being
exactly so many Hz apart in one formant.

And what would that have to do with sounds actually used in speech?
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