Re: proof that most etymologies are only fairy-tales

On Aug 10, 4:39 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Duðan Vukotiã wrote:
On Aug 10, 3:18 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Duðan Vukotiã wrote:
On Aug 10, 7:13 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:44 pm, Du¹an Vukoti¿ <dusan.vuko...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On the other hand, Don Ringe supposed that the Germanic
"bear" (animal) might be related to the Latin ferus (wild animal; Serb-
Slav. zver, zverka, zverina), taking in consideration the
"reconstructed" IE root *ghwer-. I think that phonetically is
impossible to "obtain" bear from ferus;
He wasn't suggesting getting "bear" from "ferus." He was suggesting
getting both those forms from *ghwer (if you have reported him
accurately).
You're as bad as analys....
i.e. how to change voiceless
labiodental fricative /f/, where the tip of the tongue is firmly
pressed against lower teeth,
'Scuse me? Have you ever pronounced an [f]?
Public Service Warning:
Do not try to pronounce labiodental fricative /f/ with the tip
of your tongue firmly pressed against your lower teeth
within five feet of your unprotected keyboard and screen.
pjk
P.S. Perhaps we shouldn't assume DV is talking about his
tongue or his teeth. :-)
Maybe I was wrong when I wrote "firmly", but, anyway, the apex of the
tongue must be in a contact with the lower teeth before the sound /f/
in "ferus" is pronounced. It seems inescapable in all the words where /
f/ is placed before the front unrounded vowel [e].
You can pronounce labiodental [f] all day, pressing your tongue against
your lower teeth and retracting it and pressing it and retracting it and
even curling it back to point at your throat and it won't make the
slightest bit of difference to the sound you're producing.

OK; try to pronounce /f/ without touching the lower teeth.

First of all, you can't pronounce /f/, since /f/ is a phoneme, not a
sound. We're talking specifically about the sound [f]. Second of all,
did you not read what I just wrote? Did it not occur to you that I'd
already conducted the series of actions on which I was reporting?
Normally, the tip of my tongue isn't touching anything when I pronounce [f].

You are right, I used the wrong brackets because I have the problem
with typing the right one. I am using the Maxton browser that doesn't
allow me to type [f].

Of course, it is possible to pronounce -f- without touching the lower
teeth with your tongue, but with a great effort. If you do not believe
me then go and look at your face in the mirror during such a f-facial
"gymnastics".

DV
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