Re: proof that most etymologies are only fairy-tales

On Aug 10, 5:41 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
analys...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Aug 10, 6:41 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mallory and Adams 2006 give no explanation of bear
(the animal) and don't even mention fur. So I give my
etymology. The central part is BIR meaning fur,
especially the fur where a newborn was laid on,
enveloped in to keep it warm, and also a bag made
of a hide used for carrying babies around. The best
fur, soft and warm, was bear fur, and so English
bear German Bär Dutch beer may come from BIR.
Also to bear would come from BIR, carrying a baby
in a bag made of a bear hide, then also bearing
a child (in the womb). The connection to bears was
of a practical nature, but then there might also have
been a magical component: bear mothers fiercly
defend their cubs, and so the bear fur might have
rubbed off on a human mother, making her feel
courageous and then act courageously as mama
bear. From the Vinca culture we know clay figurines
of the goddess holding her baby, and both, mother
and child, wearing bear masks. Marija Gimbutas:
"The maternal devotion of the female bear made
such an impression upon Old European peasants
that she was adopted as a symbol of motherhood."
BIR became byros in ancient Greek and fur in
English. We have English birth and born, German
gebären Geburt, and Dutch geboorte. German
bergen means to rescue and to contain - as a bag
made of a bear hide would have contained a baby,
enveloped a baby and kept it warm in the cold
winters of Ice Age Eurasia. In northwest Europe,
especially in southern Britain, the custom of
enveloping a newborn in a bear fur could have
been expanded to a life in the beyond: a dead
chieftain may have been buried eveloped in
a bear fur, and thus been placed in the ground,
or in a barrow, hence 'to bury' and 'barrow' as
further possible derivatives of BIR meaning fur.
The color beron brown and feros as wild animal
would have been secondary word formations,
the furry one being a wild animal, his fur being
brown. Now killrate my message, mob of sci.lang,
as you got no arguments to disprove my proposition.

It all hangs together - and connects up bear (the animal) , bear
(carry) and bear (give birth) together better than the standard fairy
tale, I mean, theory.

I guess you don't know what "fairy tale" means. A fairy tale is a story
like the one that Franz just concocted out of thin air to explain a
conclusion that you would *like* to believe. In case you didn't notice,
he just *invented* the whole business about babies being carried around
in bear hides, and in his mind, it becomes true just because it sprang
out of his mind. What a topsy-turvy world you must live in where such
spontaneous fantasies are scientifically satisfying while actual
observations and commonplace extrapolations from them are "fairy tales".

My Magdalenian experiment lasts now for three and
a half year, I performed every move online, for everyone
to see, my permutation groups are the result of four laws,
several of my permutation groups tell me that the Ice Age
people were very fond of their babies and their young -
not astonishingly, as they were few, many children must
have died, and they lived in a harsh world. The permutation
group of BRI concerned with fertility yielded BIR not just as
fur but especially as the fur where newborns were laid on.
You can find this definition in my Magdalenian dictionary.
I did not made it up this August. When analys... told us
that PIE scholars can't agree on the etymology of bear
I went for a Magdalenian explanation, my best guess was
BIR, and the rest followed easily. I am now ready to make
a test case of bear.

Another correction: ancient Greek for skin, fur, was byrsa
(not byros). I returned home and can again consult my books.

I derive bear from BIR meaning fur, especially the fur that
kept a newborn warm, preferably the soft and longhaired
fur of a bear. In German there are two alternative names
of the bear referring to fur: 1) petz female petze, in fables
and fairy tales called Meister Petz, a word I link to Pelz
'pelt', a petz can also bristle up, stand on end (Hagedorn,
Grimm's Wörterbuch), and 2) Zottelbär 'shaggy bear'.
I don't know any names or nicknames calling a bear
the brown one, the wild one, or the overcomer. The bear
is the furry one, as his fur, soft and warm, was most
precious to the Ice Age people. Telling by his name
the boar Latin aper German Eber must have been
another provider of a good fur.

PIE has many homonyms that may be derivatives of
Magdalenian BIR (list of PIE forms after Mallory and
Adams 2006) : *bher- 'brown' -- as the fur of a bear //
"bher- 'weave, twine' -- twining and weaving the wool
of a sheep // "bher-- 'seeth, hobble; roost' -- cooking
the meet of a skinned animal // *bher- 'strike (through),
split, cut' -- killing a bear in order to get it's fur and
meat // *bher- 'carry' -- explained before // *bher-
'+- cure with spells and/or herbs' -- ritual healing
ceremonies may have involved bear furs // *bhere/o
'bear a child' -- explained before // *bherg- '+-bark,
growl' -- sounds made by a bear // *bherg- 'keep,
protect' -- explained before. The true root of many
or all of these homonyms would have been BIR.
.

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