Re: proof that most etymologies are only fairy-tales

On Aug 19, 3:00 am, "Douglas G. Kilday" <fufl...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Time to come temporarily (yawn) out of hibernation already?

What ??? hibernation in ferragosto? are you
spending summer in the Antartica?

PIE for 'bear' was evidently *r.kto- with an alternant *r.ktyo- (on
this
alternation cf. 'new', PIE *newo- and *newyo-).  Thus we have
Sanskrit <r.ks.ah.>, Greek <árktos>, and Celtic *arto-.  Latin
<ursus> is a Sabinism; true Latin would have /or/ from syllabic
*/r./.

And the Magdalenian origin of this PIE root
was ARC, referring to the strength of a bear,
surviving in Greek arktos and Latin ursus,
also in the male given name Arthur from the
compound ARC TYR --- cave bear (arc)
overcomer (tyr), a bear hunter of the Ice Age,
surviving in the medieval king Arthur who was
a dragon slayer, he fought for three days and
nights with a dragon and finally won (skulls
and other bones of the long extinct cave bear
found in caves were understood as remains
of dragons).


Taboo-substitution occurred in some of the IE branches.  Common
Germanic *bero: is traditionally understood as 'the brown one' and
I have never found a problem with that, particularly since this new
Gmc. word for 'bear' has itself twice been replaced by words for
'brown', namely Old Norse <björn> and English <bruin> (borrowed
from Dutch, used in certain stories).  I see no reason to connect
Eng. <bear> with Lat. <ferus> 'wild'.  The evidence as I know it
favors the traditional explanation of 'brown one'.

This taboo-substitution is a deus ex machina,
because the brown one doesn't make sense.
The other way round, brown, PIE *bher-, is
a derivative of an older word which I give as
BIR meaning the fur whereupon a newborn
was laid, and as furs are mostly brown, the
word for this color was derived from BIR,
also bear as provider of the best fur, longhaired,
soft and warm, etc., as explained in many
previous messages.

(Sorry about the scrolling; I can't fix it.)

DGK

(I don't get your meaning here)
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