Re: finally, a non-cretinous exposition of the Laryngeal theory

On Sep 1, 11:59 pm, analys...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sep 1, 12:54 pm, Harlan Messinger



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analys...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:26 am, Harlan Messinger
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On Aug 31, 9:06 pm, Harlan Messinger
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On Aug 31, 2:48 pm, Harlan Messinger
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On Aug 31, 12:05 pm, "Richard Wordingham" <jrw0...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<analys...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As far as I know - no Indian language (present or past) has stops
further back than "k" which can be called the king of IE sounds.
Uvular: Urdu, an Indic language, has /q/.
borrowed from Arabic/Persian and I would suspect only for words of
Arabic/persian origin.
Your suspicions and suppositions, as always, are useless. You could give
information a try instead.
Glottal: Kharia, a Munda language, definitely has word final /?/.
Richard.
So apparently does Santali, including 'checked consonants'. These
souds would be exotic to Indians who speak major literarary
languages.
Your claim about "no Indian language (present or past)" was most
emphatically an absolute. You were wrong. Stop trying to hem and haw
your way out of it.
How can a statement about my knowledge be wrong unless somebody read
my mind?
In my previous post I had started to add something to the effect of,
"Instead of hemming and hawing, why didn't you just fall back on you 'as
far as I know' disclaimer and say something like, 'OK, thanks, I hadn't
realized that'" but then I chose not to be so generous because, after
all, you *were* trying to discount the information you'd been given as
though to avoid being wrong.
I didn't try to discount it - I have discounted the misnformation
given as information - namely - the bald assertion that Urdu has 'q'.
q f and z to name three are borrowed sounds that exist only in a fixed
inventory of borrowed words in Hindi/Urdu that have come into the
subcontinent due to a specific historical event. If you can show me
an innovated Hindi/Urdu word that has one of these sounds - then you
would have something.
And none of these sounds contrast with the nearest Hindi sound
with uvular q = k
uvular friicative ch = kh
f = ph
z = j
urdu can disappear tomorrow and nobody would know the difference.
(a) Even if this were true,

Since you can't contest it - shouldn't you STFU rather than make the
baseless assertion below.

Since I can't contest what? The concept that Urdu is going to disappear
tomorrow?

If somebody said that you should take that up with him/her.

What part of the following is baseless?





it would be irrelevant to the topic. (b)
It's amazing how such vile nationalism such as yours can make someone
say something so astoundingly stupid as a remark that the disappearance
of a language spoken as a first language by 60 million people and
serving as the official language of a country of 167 million would go
unnoticed.

Stupid, stupid,stupid.

According to you, it's stupid to say that the disappearance tomorrow of
a language spoken by 60 million people and that is the official language
of a huge nation *would* be noticed? Remarkable.

Its the same as predicting the diasppearance of Southern American
English - nationlism is only in your diseased imagination

No, it's the same thing as saying that if all people speaking Southern
American English started talking like Northerners tomorrow, if George
Bush suddenly started to speak like *** Cheney, no one would notice.
Are you under the impression that your words conveyed the notion that
"the distinction between Urdu and Hindi is gradually dwindling"? I would
have had no argument with that, knowing nothing about it one way or the
other, but you seem to be having trouble selecting words that convey
what you mean.

I should have said nobody except linguists would notice it and in the
case of Urdu, I would include folks who have politcized the Urdu/Hindi/
Hindustani matter.

You sound like one who is politicizing the Urdu/Hindi/Hindustani
matter. Urdu is a natural growth, Hindi is an artificial, Sanskritized
language.
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