Re: Laz in Poland?

On Sep 3, 10:35 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 2, 5:17 pm, "benli...@xxxxxxxxxx" <benli...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Sep 3, 5:28 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 2008-09-02 19:13:31 +0200, Andrew Woode <andrew_wo...@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:

On 2 Sep, 17:26, Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 2008-08-16 00:51:30 +0200, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
said:

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I even tried googling for the list of nations in Chinese order. Has
anyone found such a thing?

On French relevision the commentator said not once but several times
that the nations were appearing not in western alphabetical order but
in Chinese alphabetical order. Although he was accompanied by a person
who appeared to be Chinese the latter never once asked what on earth
Chinese alphabetical order was, but perhaps he was too polite. (I would
guess that he meant the order in which they would be listed in a
Chinese gazeteer.)

--
athel

Wikipedia claims the following: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
2008_Summer_Olympics_Opening_Ceremony)
Finally, the athletes taking part in the 29th Olympiad parade of
nations marched out to the centre of the Stadium.

In accordance with Olympic tradition, the national team of Greece
entered first; the host country came last. As Chinese is written in
characters and not letters, the order of the teams' entry was
determined by the number of strokes in the first character of their
respective countries' Simplified Chinese names.

That agrees with what I understood to be what determines the order of
entries in a Chinese dictionary, but no doubt there are far more expert
people here who can say if that is right.

--
athel

There's a complete listing, with the characters, at

http://penguinsix.com/2008/08/07/olympics-opening-ceremony-parade-not...

From this it is easy to see that stroke count provides the basic
order, from the first character with two(?) strokes for Guinea, to 17
(?) for Zambia. Where two or more countries begin with the same
character, the same ordering is applied to the second character.
Obviously, though, this is not enough. Among characters with the same
stroke count there is, I assume, a radical-based ordering such as is
used in Chinese dictionaries. What I don't know is whether the primary
ordering by total stroke count is the system now used in dictionaries?
In the (mainly Sino-Japanese) character dictionaries I have used,
characters are grouped under a primary radical, and stroke count
provides an ordering of those. But someone else will know.

The far from expert

How did you find it? google was not at all my friend on opening day or
a couple days thereafter.

Surprisingly easy. I think I googled "olympics+alphabetical" on the
day, and it was the second or third site that came up. I had the
printout with me as I watched the parade. (Had to wait up until 2 or 3
am to see New Zealand come in, as we were well down in the order.)


For characters with the same number of strokes, dictionary order is
indeed arbitrary.

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