Re: Native Japanese Saying ``Barrel''

In message <37e8dbca-95cd-4e65-a451-c4839f08d5c9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes
On Sep 25, 5:07 am, Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
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<ba4e7341-6e35-4c09-bfc5-62e68a80b...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Peter T. Daniels <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes





>On Sep 24, 12:05 pm, Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>> In message <qHrCk.411$sc2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, John Atkinson
>> <johna...@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes

>> >Brian M. Scott wrote:
>> >>  John Atkinson <johna...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>> >> [...]

>> >>> Certainly people (sailors, anyway) used to keep corned
>> >>> beef ("salt beef" in  USA-speak?) [...]

>> >> Corned beef on rye is a classic U.S. sandwich.  But
>> >> Wikipedia says that what we call corned beef is 'salt beef'
>> >> in the U.K., and that U.K. corned beef is something else.

>> >Not that I know of.  In Australia at least, it's generally "corn(ed)
>> >beef" (usually without the "ed"), never "salt beef".

>> It's true in the UK. At least, "corned beef" always was (and still is)
>> something that came in cans from Argentina. "Salt beef" is a mysterious
>> imported substance you'd find in a delicatessen, probably synonymous
>> with pastrami. The cured pressed beef my father used to cook is brisket.

>Brisket is a cut, not some kind of preservation.

I know. Nevertheless, the two went together.

>Pastrami is a very specific meat product, with a very specific recipe
>of spices in a coating on the outside and presumably also involved in
>a lengthy marinade process. It would be a very extended sense of
>"salt" to call pastrami "salt beef."

In the context I'm describing, people have more experience of the names
than what they denote, and may not be aware that there's any difference.
Just like all non-English-style sausages are "salami".

And you wonder why English "cuisine" has the reputation it does.

That's rich, coming from someone who eats nothing but hamburgers.

(I thought the racial stereotypes were in the "French leave" thread?)

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Richard Herring
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