Re: Literary phonetic alphabet

On Sep 25, 9:34 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 25, 2:17 pm, Iain <iain_inks...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Sep 24, 1:05 am, LEE Sau Dan <dan...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

"Iain" == Iain <iain_inks...@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

>> > Thanks, but I was thinking of something that one could write
>> > an essay in, for example.

>> Please make your query clearer. You can't do what you want with
>> these because...?

Iain> Well it looks a bit ugly, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't. I don't think so. Why would you?

Since you're querying in a sci.* group, I beg you to *define* a metric
to measure the "ugliness" of a script. Otherwise, who can answer your
query satisfiably?

Iain> Let's say you're writing a folksong in your native dialect,
Iain> that foreigners aren't familiar with, but you want them to
Iain> know what it sounds like.

There will always be some sounds in ones native language that are
foreign to foreigners. It's impossible to let them know how these
sound exactly without teaching them some phonetics.

Fine.

The IPA works.

I'm imagining a less precise version of that, is all, that is also
easy to handwrite, etc.

This would allow it to be easy to learn, and so could be used
comfortable by non-academics in informal contexts.

IPA can be used with whatever degree of precision is appropriate for
the circumstances.

What's not "easy to learn" about IPA? If you've learned to make the
sound, you learn along with it the symbol for it.


The IPA MUST have some kind of disadvantage. Otherwise we'd choose to
use it 100% of the time, for every kind of writing.

I'm trying to get at the idea of an alphabet that is objectively
phonetic, whilst not having whatever failure means that the IPA is not
used at all times.

If you're a casual reader of international poetry, you'll want to be
able to recognise more sounds than you're willing to memorise the
symbols for.

Let's imagine a system whereby a diphthong can be denoted by two
symbols, each denoting a single lengthless, monotone vowel sound.
Isn't that a good way of reducing the number of symbols required for
vowel sounds? Now imagine that the consonant at the beginning of
"shame" had the symbol "sh", and the sound at the beginning of "dog"
had the symbol "d". With those two things in the specification, you
wouldn't need to specify a symbol for the consonant at the beginning
of "jingle", because one could just write "dsh". That, to me, makes
intuitive sense, so maybe to a world readership it might also make
sense?

Like I said, I'm talking about an informal, intuitive phonetic
alphabet, for informal purposes.

~Iain
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