Re: Can an r colored vowel be written in IPA?

On Oct 18, 3:20 pm, "ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx"
<ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 18, 8:14 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 18, 11:01 am, "ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx"
<ranjit_math...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If so, how is it written?

With that hook thing that goes on a shwa to make the er sound.

Is the hook thing used for describing non-rhotic (but r colored)
vowels?

What is "non-rhotic (but r colored)"?

Are you just leafing through a phonetics dictionary without learning
what the terms mean?

For example, in Sanskrit:
pra + an = prAn.

The A is sandwiched between a cerebral r and a cerebral n, so the
vowel has to be cerebral. Indeed, it has to be because the vowel is
cerebral that the nasal after it is forced to become cerebral. In
English, this can be written as "prarn", with an annotation that the
"ar" is non-rhotic. How would a non-rhotic "ar" vowel be written in
IPA? BTW, the vowel comes in two lengths; the shorter length is found
in pra + nAm = pran.Am.

Wht is a "cerebral vowel"?

I'm using cerebral rather than retroflex because a cerebral isn't
necessarily retroflex. A cerebral consonant can be postalveolar.

Then why are you using it as a phonetic term, if it doesn't describe
some particular phonetic phenomenon?

Isn't "cerebral" a 19th-century word for
"retroflex"? If your tongue tip is curling backward,

No more of a backward curl than this shape shows: \_.

how are you still making an [a]?

Now that you say [a], it opens up a train of thought. It could be
described as a kind of [a]. With [a] being a front vowel, the tongue
tip points upward rather than forward. To describe it as pointed
upward at the palate rather than the alveolar region, it can be
written as [a_] (retracted [a]).

What does the pointing of the tongue-tip have to do with an [a]?

What is a "non-rhotic ar"?

[a:] or [a_:], as per the analysis I've just given.

Then what is the point of the sequence of morphemes "non-rhotic ar"?
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